Rossi Stoner 2007-2008 CURRENT RESULTS with prior year comparison SPOILER

[derby]

Yeah, the bike was just lucky that it didn't have a rider making numb nut decisions in the wet, grabbing too much brake in the wet causing it to go down.  It was all the bike being super smooth in the wet and maintaining total control.  I am quite certain Casey was just asleep on the back for most of the race knowing that the bike was going to do everything right without him.  :rolleyes:

sar·chasm  ('sär-"ka-z&m) : The giant gulf (chasm) between what is said and the person who doesn't get it.

[Ducatiloo]

sar·chasm  ('sär-"ka-z&m) : The giant gulf (chasm) between what is said and the person who doesn't get it.

Thank you for posting this,  I was under the impression you were being serious before I read it. 

[COWBOY]

Check this out: http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/xx/2008/MotoGP/GER/RAC/analysis+by+lap.pdf

Now, it might not have made a difference, but Rossi likely would've had the gap down to < 4 seconds if it weren't for this lap (he was on a hot lap til he got held up).  Not saying he could've passed him, but he would've prolly had Stoner in sight and we know how much it helps to be able to see the rider you're chasing.  Of course, catching Stoner and passing him are two very different things, but it would've been nice to see what battle might have been.

Anyhow, the real point here is you never want to see a backmarker influence the race and if you're putting around like Elias, you damn well better be looking for those flags, especially in those kind of conditions.

We agree that the backmarker shouldn't be a factor. We just disagree on it's impact.

Rossi took second in lap 9 and never got closer than 2.4 seconds back on lap 10.  By lap 18 he's 4.7 seconds back.  Even with the disruption the gap grows by a second or more twice in the last 10 laps.  22/23 and 25/26.  Elias was only involved once (not sure of which lap.)  The race for the most part was run with between a 4.5 and 5.0 gap between them until Stoner eased up on the last 6 laps (1.34s v low 1.33s for the bulk).

Elias or no Elias Rossi didn't have it in him to run Stoner down this race.

BTW Thanks for posting that pdf.  That was awesome to read.

[darylbowden]

BTW Thanks for posting that pdf.  That was awesome to read.

No problem, you can find them for all the races on motogp.com (just their terrible UI makes everything a PITA to find). After the race has completed, you can click on "results" and then you'll be taken to a page like this: http://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics/2008/GER/MotoGP/RAC and from there they have all the pertinent stats form the race.  And, you don't even need to be a member to access the info.

[Monstermash]

Yeah, the bike was just lucky that it didn't have a rider making numb nut decisions in the wet, grabbing too much brake in the wet causing it to go down.  It was all the bike being super smooth in the wet and maintaining total control.  I am quite certain Casey was just asleep on the back for most of the race knowing that the bike was going to do everything right without him.  :rolleyes:

 Huh? Asleep on the back? In the rain? Dude, you need to get your head examined. And please stop doing this  It'll help, trust me.

[mitt]

The back traffic didn't make a difference in my opinion.  Stoner was setting most of the fast laps, and each time Rossi gained a half second, Stoner gained .6 seconds.  Rossi just had a public tantrum to complete his whiner boy status obligation for the race.

mitt

[Ducatiloo]

The back traffic didn't make a difference in my opinion.  Stoner was setting most of the fast laps, and each time Rossi gained a half second, Stoner gained .6 seconds.  Rossi just had a public tantrum to complete his whiner boy status obligation for the race.

mitt

Must be his tires again...

[Ducatiloo]

Seriously Rossi  is as amazing rider, love or hate him.  But he needs to put on his big girl panties and grow up.   Oh bo hoo I didn't win because bla bla bla.  Put up or shut up.

[gm2]

i'm as big a fan of rossi that logic would (imo) dictate.  which therefore is pretty big.  but i don't really care what he does at the end of the day.  like, not personally or emotionally care.

that said, i honestly almost never read him whining or complaining about anything at all.  talking about what happened or why he didn't win or what he/they need to do in order to win isn't pregnant doging.

maybe you guys only read the headlines.

[darylbowden]

The back traffic didn't make a difference in my opinion.  Stoner was setting most of the fast laps, and each time Rossi gained a half second, Stoner gained .6 seconds.  Rossi just had a public tantrum to complete his whiner boy status obligation for the race.

mitt

Seriously Rossi  is as amazing rider, love or hate him.  But he needs to put on his big girl panties and grow up.   Oh bo hoo I didn't win because bla bla bla.  Put up or shut up.

For the record, I didn't see Rossi make any statement about Elias after the race at all - that was my personal opinion.  In fact, if you read Rossi's post-race comments, you'd see the exact opposite of what you are both describing...

"I'm really happy with this result, even if racing in the rain today wasn't quite as much fun as I've had in some of my past races here! For the championship this is very, very important; I made a mistake last week in Assen and today Dani did the same. It's unlucky but this is racing and now we are back in front and this is a very good feeling. Dani is tough and we know he will be back fighting at the front, but sincerely at the moment we need to think about how to catch Casey because he has been very fast now for a few races. Once again here we lost some time during the practice trying to find the right setting and we can't afford to keep doing this. Today we started from the third row and this meant that I had to deal with some confusion at the start and lost some time on the front riders. By the time I got behind Casey my M1 was working very well and I had very good grip with my Bridgestone rain tyres; I felt very confident and I tried hard to push but there was no way to catch him at that stage, so our aim must be to start at the front from now on. Thanks to all my team and engineers; now we have to try to extend this lead in Laguna."

Please just make sure your accusations are based on something Rossi (or anyone) actually said...

[Pakhan]

speaking of put up or shut up did anyone hear Edwards choice words about Michelin?

[gm2]

if anyone is qualified to take michelin to task if/when they need it, it's colin.

[darylbowden]

Put up or shut up.

Umm.  Isn't he leading the championship right now?  And he's won 3 races so far this year...  I'd say he's put up plenty - enough to keep him 20 points clear of his closest competitor even after his wreck in Assen.

[darylbowden]

speaking of put up or shut up did anyone hear Edwards choice words about Michelin?

Apparently he wasn't the only one.  Dovi was having issues as well and we all know how Dani's day turned out (that should not have wrecked him, he was straight up and down and had just gotten on the brakes).

I guess Michelin felt they needed to repay Bridgestone for the favor last year.

[Grampa]

one of these days.... they need to do an IROC type of race where the riders all ride the same bike, same tyres, same everything. only weigh restrictions based on rider weight. make everything the same.