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Re: Plastic Tank problems: Discussion thread, see info thread sticky for updates
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December 07, 2011, 01:28:10 PM »
Quote from: ducatiz on December 07, 2011, 01:05:07 PM
i am beginning to think Stabil etc are a non starter. I think they might help for a short period of time but for a stored bike would not help at all and given Stabil's primary ingredient is an alcohol, it might make things worse.
One thing is certain. Stabil works to keep fuel systems from degrading and to maintain the volatility of the fuel for about a year. This is proven from decades of use, by me and others, especially collector car guys.
Now, whether a main component in Stabil is alcohol or not, the concentration to treat 3 1/2 U.S. Gal. of ethanol-free premium is 1.5 fluid oz.
Just based on my own experience, I do not like to think about my hoses and filter and pump in the tank drying out over the winter. Just my $0.02 of course.
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Re: Plastic Tank problems: Discussion thread, see info thread sticky for updates
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December 07, 2011, 02:14:59 PM »
I was contacted today by Brian, Ducati service manager @ Razee's, where I purchased the bike new, & was told DNA authorized the tank replacement. I was told it would take 7-10 days to arrive. No charge & I could wait there for for the installation as it would take 1 1/2 hours to replace. From reporting it, to an answer, 2 weeks. I will post @ the completion of the replacement.
*Tank replaced @ no charge on 12/22/11. Took 1.5 hours & it matches perfectly. I was told to keep Star Tron in the fuel to minimize reaction from the ethanol.
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Re: Plastic Tank problems: Discussion thread, see info thread sticky for updates
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December 07, 2011, 07:07:25 PM »
Quote from: ducatiz on December 07, 2011, 01:05:07 PM
i am beginning to think Stabil etc are a non starter. I think they might help for a short period of time but for a stored bike would not help at all and given Stabil's primary ingredient is an alcohol, it might make things worse.
Just in case anyone missed this:
Stabil or equal will help keep the volatiles in the fuel, helping the spring start up. Much to my surprise, at least according to the MSDS, the brand Stabil is mostly petroleum distillates, the data sheet is amazingly vague. As far as tank preservation I doubt it will help at all.
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Re: Plastic Tank problems: Discussion thread, see info thread sticky for updates
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December 07, 2011, 07:16:18 PM »
Quote from: howie on December 07, 2011, 07:07:25 PM
Stabil or equal will help keep the volatiles in the fuel, helping the spring start up. Much to my surprise, at least according to the MSDS, the brand Stabil is mostly petroleum distillates, the data sheet is amazingly vague. As far as tank preservation I doubt it will help at all.
Isn't there a Sta-Bil specific to ethanol related fuel? I thought it was supposed to take care of the rubber eating tendency, and it might help to prevent swollen tanks. It's green if I remember correctly.
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December 07, 2011, 07:32:08 PM »
Quote from: Human Zombie Pip on December 07, 2011, 07:16:18 PM
Isn't there a Sta-Bil specific to ethanol related fuel? I thought it was supposed to take care of the rubber eating tendency, and it might help to prevent swollen tanks. It's green if I remember correctly.
Dunno, maybe, that is what they claim. All I can say for sure is the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) states 95% petroleum distillates for all their fuel stabilizers.
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Re: Plastic Tank problems: Discussion thread, see info thread sticky for updates
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December 07, 2011, 07:37:58 PM »
Quote from: Human Zombie Pip on December 07, 2011, 07:16:18 PM
Isn't there a Sta-Bil specific to ethanol related fuel? I thought it was supposed to take care of the rubber eating tendency, and it might help to prevent swollen tanks. It's green if I remember correctly.
The ethanol treatment isn't for storage but can be mixed with regular Stabil if required. Not sure how much good it will do you based on ducatiz's statements. Regular Stabil does inhibit corrosion and varnish and loss of volatility in fuel though.
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Re: Plastic Tank problems: Discussion thread, see info thread sticky for updates
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December 10, 2011, 04:08:51 PM »
Just came back from getting my replacement tank installed - no Caswell but I will try running the K100 ans see how it does - at least that way if something happens in the next 18 months or so I'm not screwed. Kudos to Jeff, Sophia and Jordan for getting it all straightened out with DNA.
All is happy in the metroplex (except it could be warmer).
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Hello, I'm new here. I'm looking at a '06 S2R. The tank is just starting to show signs of swelling. The rubber bumpers are not fitting on the frame properly.
Two things, first I've heard different things from different people that have received information on the class action suit. I've heard that they will only warranty tanks from 5 years from date of purchase, I've also heard 6 years, and finally that they have to replace any deformed tank no matter how old. Can anybody clear this up for me?
Second, I was told that the cause is the charcoal canister that the tank vents into. Basically that ethanol evaporates faster than gasoline, and proceeds to fill and "plug up" the canister essentially making it so that the tank can't vent forcing the tank to swell. The Ducati owner that told me this said the nobody that has removed their charcoal canister have suffered from any tank swelling. Is there any truth to this? Thanks for any help!!
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Quote from: Frisco on December 10, 2011, 04:08:51 PM
Just came back from getting my replacement tank installed - no Caswell but I will try running the K100 ans see how it does - at least that way if something happens in the next 18 months or so I'm not screwed. Kudos to Jeff, Sophia and Jordan for getting it all straightened out with DNA.
All is happy in the metroplex (except it could be warmer).
before you use that k100 you better look to see what's in it.
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Quote from: CrashVR on December 10, 2011, 05:32:29 PM
Hello, I'm new here. I'm looking at a '06 S2R. The tank is just starting to show signs of swelling. The rubber bumpers are not fitting on the frame properly.
Two things, first I've heard different things from different people that have received information on the class action suit. I've heard that they will only warranty tanks from 5 years from date of purchase, I've also heard 6 years, and finally that they have to replace any deformed tank no matter how old. Can anybody clear this up for me?
Second, I was told that the cause is the charcoal canister that the tank vents into. Basically that ethanol evaporates faster than gasoline, and proceeds to fill and "plug up" the canister essentially making it so that the tank can't vent forcing the tank to swell. The Ducati owner that told me this said the nobody that has removed their charcoal canister have suffered from any tank swelling. Is there any truth to this? Thanks for any help!!
1. the settlement is not a done deal yet. if it is ratified, the new warranty will be 5 years from date of purchase by the ORIGINAL OWNER or 18 months form the date of the finalized settlement, whichever is later.
2. the charcoal canister claim is utter bullshit. did the person who told you that bit about ethanol have a chemistry degree?
I took my canister off a few weeks after I got my 05 S2R. I have had TWO tank replacements.
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Re: Plastic Tank problems: Discussion thread, see info thread sticky for updates
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Thanks, I had a feeling that was the case...
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Re: Plastic Tank problems: Discussion thread, see info thread sticky for updates
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the charcoal canister bit is laughable, at least.
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December 11, 2011, 07:23:08 PM »
I agree... I wish it was that simple though
I love the bike, but I am concerned about tanks... What happens when they are no longer replacing them?! $2000 for a tank? That's crazy talk... I'm thinking I would just get one of the CA cycle works tanks. At least it matches the front fender. I would probably then remove the bikini fairing and rear seat cowel and just make my own version of the Dark
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December 11, 2011, 07:46:01 PM »
Quote from: CrashVR on December 11, 2011, 07:23:08 PM
I agree... I wish it was that simple though
I love the bike, but I am concerned about tanks... What happens when they are no longer replacing them?! $2000 for a tank? That's crazy talk... I'm thinking I would just get one of the CA cycle works tanks. At least it matches the front fender. I would probably then remove the bikini fairing and rear seat cowel and just make my own version of the Dark
That's the reasonable answer-like the one Ducati should have responded with. I too will purchase a CA Cycle Works tank if I'm ever faced with the choice of having to purchase a new tank. Unlike Ducati tanks, CA Cycle Works claims that theirs will not swell like pregnant dogs.
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For those of you interested in objecting to the settlement, please PM me YOUR FULL NAME AND EMAIL ADDRESS.
I am preparing an objection to file if you want to sign an affidavit which "attaches" your objection to mine, let me know ASAP.
Deadline is Dec 27 to receive the objections by the court and the law firms. That means it needs to be in the mail before then.
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