Ducati Monster Forum

powered by:

December 23, 2024, 05:42:53 AM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News: Welcome to the DMF
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register  



Pages: [1] 2   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: 450 Super Singles Anyone??  (Read 11884 times)
Triple J
Guest
« on: June 17, 2009, 08:15:32 AM »

So I have an '04 KTM 200 EXC dirt bike I'd like to sell so I can get a track bike. However, a guy has offered to trade me for his '02 Honda CRF 450...which brings me to the 450 super singles.

I read about this in a bike mag. a couple months ago, where people turn 450 dirt bikes into road race bikes. Here's the site the article referenced: http://www.450moto.net/index.php

Looks like you need to get new wheels, bodywork, damper, rearsets, and have the suspension re-done and lowered.

Looks like it could be pretty fun. Has anyone ever seen one of these...or better yet ridden one? General thoughts?
Logged
teddy037.2
Guest
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2009, 08:24:14 AM »

always wanted to make one for street, just for the oddity of it. I imagine it would be a blast to ride!  waytogo
Logged
Spidey
Crashin' mofo
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 4842



« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2009, 08:29:37 AM »

Elana Myers destroyed the AFM on one last weekend.

Pics:  http://4theriders.com/viewpics.php?loc=/pics/afm/2009/r4_thill/21/
« Last Edit: June 17, 2009, 08:32:28 AM by Spidey » Logged

Occasionally AFM #702  My stuff:  The M1000SS, a mashed r6, Vino 125, the Blonde, some rugrats, yuppie cage, child molester van, bourbon.
Triple J
Guest
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2009, 08:43:22 AM »

So you're saying it's a girls bike?   popcorn



 Grin Grin Great pictures!  waytogo
Logged
Spidey
Crashin' mofo
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 4842



« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2009, 08:56:19 AM »

She ran a 600 at an earlier round and crushed everyone there too.  They started selling these T-shirts:

Logged

Occasionally AFM #702  My stuff:  The M1000SS, a mashed r6, Vino 125, the Blonde, some rugrats, yuppie cage, child molester van, bourbon.
zooom
wishing I had some colorful enough tights for my
Post Whore
******
Offline Offline

Posts: 11905


when your gas is natural and has a name...


« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2009, 08:59:18 AM »

 Great pictures!  waytogo

especially this one...



my guess is this was 100% cocky ham!


anyways, I have seen where people also find a 2 stroke bike like a TZ250 or or something of the like and grapht in the 450 motor and go from there...
Logged

99 Cagiva Gran Canyon-"FOR SALE", PM for details.
98 Monster 900(trackpregnant dog-soon to be made my Fiancee's upgrade streetbike)
2010 KTM 990 SM-T
Triple J
Guest
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2009, 09:02:48 AM »

She ran a 600 at an earlier round and crushed everyone there too.  They started selling these T-shirts:


 laughingdp laughingdp That's great!

So what's the reason for using 450s...because they fit in a specific race class?

I'm only thinking 450 because there are readily available fairing kits. Would any dirtbike base work?  Huh?
Logged
Spidey
Crashin' mofo
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 4842



« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2009, 09:14:08 AM »

I don't know if other dirtbike bases work because I don't know that much about them.  But I bet it's a power thing.  A single is not particularly well-suited for a roadracing track .  They get hot and they lose out on the top end.  A 250 single would be SERIOUSLY underpowered.  We used to race 250 ninjas against DRZ 400 'tards, and engine-wise, they were close.  The 400 had more torque, but was hurtin' at the top end.  It's one thing to race an underpowered bike, but as a trackbike, I wouldn't want something with 25 hp.  I wouldn't want anything less than a 450 single.
Logged

Occasionally AFM #702  My stuff:  The M1000SS, a mashed r6, Vino 125, the Blonde, some rugrats, yuppie cage, child molester van, bourbon.
zooom
wishing I had some colorful enough tights for my
Post Whore
******
Offline Offline

Posts: 11905


when your gas is natural and has a name...


« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2009, 09:20:42 AM »

also worth considering is the kind of tracks you'll be riding...a single on it's own in this kind of condition being wrung out will be a maintenance intensive ordeal if you do alot of track days on tracks that have straights where the general speed exceeds 110MPH...on tight technical tracks where there isn't much past 4th gear on a liter bike for example, a super single might be right at home...otherwise, you'll be wringing the life right outta the machine.....also some track organizations are considering the disparity between machines like Motards/Singles and the regular sport bikes in terms of grouping and so forth due to major differences in closing speeds and braking zones....all about having he right tool for he job...it is just the same with a track bike too...
Logged

99 Cagiva Gran Canyon-"FOR SALE", PM for details.
98 Monster 900(trackpregnant dog-soon to be made my Fiancee's upgrade streetbike)
2010 KTM 990 SM-T
pennyrobber
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1826



« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2009, 09:50:01 AM »

We saw some running in the USGP about a month ago. They are about the size of a 250 gp bike. I think they have a specific class for them this year. There was word that kits would become available for the conversion but it seems people are just doing the DIY route. I think it would be a blast, go for it.  waytogo
Logged

Men face reality and women don't. That's why men need to drink. -George Christopher
Triple J
Guest
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2009, 10:45:13 AM »

also worth considering is the kind of tracks you'll be riding...a single on it's own in this kind of condition being wrung out will be a maintenance intensive ordeal if you do alot of track days on tracks that have straights where the general speed exceeds 110MPH...on tight technical tracks where there isn't much past 4th gear on a liter bike for example, a super single might be right at home...otherwise, you'll be wringing the life right outta the machine.....also some track organizations are considering the disparity between machines like Motards/Singles and the regular sport bikes in terms of grouping and so forth due to major differences in closing speeds and braking zones....all about having he right tool for he job...it is just the same with a track bike too...

I've been thinking of this as well. Our local track (Pacific Raceways) is pretty tight, but it does have a fairly long straight where I could get up to ~150 indicated on the 848. Everything but the straight would be good on a 450.

On the other hand, Oregon Raceway Park is another close track and I never got the 848 out of 4th gear...and usually was in 2nd or 3rd. Perfect for a 450.

Thunderhill and Miller are also track we go to (I've only been to Miller). I think one of these 450 singles would really suck there.  Undecided
Logged
EvilSteve
Guest
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2009, 12:05:39 PM »

I'd love to have one of these for a track bike *but* they're expensive to do right.

My dream version of this bike would be to get the 300 xc 2 stroke with electric start & convert that. *drool*
Logged
rockaduc
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1045



« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2009, 01:48:43 PM »

I am a member of KTMtalk, it's a pretty cool community (like another one I can think of  Grin).  They have a nice break down of the different thumper motors and the CRF motors are pretty maintanace intensive as they are fairly high strung...jfft.
Logged

If you can see Chuck Norris, he can see you.  If you can't see Chuck Norris, you may be only seconds away from death.
Triple J
Guest
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2009, 02:09:43 PM »

I'd love to have one of these for a track bike *but* they're expensive to do right.


That's my concern. Might be cheaper to just pick up an R6 or something for the track.

I am a member of KTMtalk, it's a pretty cool community (like another one I can think of  Grin).  They have a nice break down of the different thumper motors and the CRF motors are pretty maintanace intensive as they are fairly high strung...jfft.

Thanks...good info. I know nothing about the 450 motors...except that i don't want to be rebuilding them all the time!  cheeky
Logged
Speeddog
West Valley Flatlander
Flounder-Administrator
Post Whore
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 14813


RIP Nicky


« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2009, 11:17:49 AM »

Some FHE on flogging 450's:
http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=37238

I'm sure they're fun to ride, but it sure sounds like the maintenance is off the hook.  Undecided
Logged

- - - - - Valley Desmo Service - - - - -
Reseda, CA

(951) 640-8908


~~~ "We've rearranged the deck chairs, refilled the champagne glasses, and the band sounds great. This is fine." - Alberto Puig ~~~
Pages: [1] 2   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  


Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines
Simple Audio Video Embedder
Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
SimplePortal 2.1.1