Kitted S4Rs versus a stock Streetfighter S

[DoubleEagle]

I'd like to hear from a member who had a S4Rs with a full Termi System ,DP ECU, and Open Air Box , then got a Streetfighter S in stock form and how it compared to the S4Rs .

Acceleration through the gears ?

Handling?

Braking ?

Egonomics?

Do you think the Streetfighter S is a better bike by a S4Rs plus $10,000 ?

Dolph

[NAKID]

Dude, you have a 1098R....

[silentbob]

I have ridden a fully kitted Rs and a SF S model.  The SF has more power, much more low end torque, and a way better chassis.  Where the Rs feels like the chassis is coming unglued, the SF feels rock solid.  The SF has ergos like a Hypermotard.  Whether you like that or not is up to you.  It out performs the Rs in every performance category but it is not a bike I would buy.  I couldn't keep it below 100 mph and that's not good for a naked bike.

[DoubleEagle]

I have ridden a fully kitted Rs and a SF S model.  The SF has more power, much more low end torque, and a way better chassis.  Where the Rs feels like the chassis is coming unglued, the SF feels rock solid.  The SF has ergos like a Hypermotard.  Whether you like that or not is up to you.  It out performs the Rs in every performance category but it is not a bike I would buy.  I couldn't keep it below 100 mph and that's not good for a naked bike.

Thanks Rob for that observation.

By the way, what IS good for a Naked Bike if not for going 100 mph ?

Dolph     

[asado]

I have ridden a fully kitted Rs and a SF S model.  The SF has more power, much more low end torque, and a way better chassis.  Where the Rs feels like the chassis is coming unglued, the SF feels rock solid.  The SF has ergos like a Hypermotard.  Whether you like that or not is up to you.  It out performs the Rs in every performance category but it is not a bike I would buy.  I couldn't keep it below 100 mph and that's not good for a naked bike.

As a previous Rs owner and recently acquiring the SF (2 days ago), I have to agree on the statement above.  The ergos is not as high (seating position wise) as the Hyper but close. 

My Rs was only fitted with Quat-D Ex-Box, DP open airbox and 14t front sprocket.  I have not ridden a fully fitted Rs but to answer your questions comparing the SF to mine is;

Handling? even with the Showa the SF wins imho.  The SF is also lighter (SF 373lbs vs RS 391lbs) the 18 lbs weight reduction and 27 more hp of the SF was eminent on my first test ride.

Braking? Dont know and I probably won't know.  As long as it stops when I need it to, then, its good enough for me.

Egonomics?  I'm only 5'7 with a 30 inseam, I cant flat foot both moto but the SF is much taller (reminded me of when I owned the Daytona 675) a good 1.5 to 2 inches higher but im used to riding a motard so that was not a problem for me.  The Rs's long tank was a problem for me because my arm was too stretched from the seat to the bars.  I tried different bars and risers with no luck so i learned to live with my wrist cramps.  The SF feels more compact, im not overly stretched and my arms are not too spread out.  A bit more upright that your weight goes to your butt and not your arms.  I didnt get cramps at all coming back from the dealer to my house (35 mile ride). 

I also want to add that the foot positioning on the stock rearset is good (i wear a 9), not too high and not too low. 

Do you think the Streetfighter S is a better bike by a S4Rs plus $10,000?   I spent nearly 10k on mods for my Rs and I have to admit that my standard SF outperforms my Rs in every category.

Note; for those who are wondering why I didn’t get the S version is because of the following;
1) DTC, never had it and I doubt I’ll miss it. 2) gold frame and gold wheels are not my cup of tea. 3) Ohlins, had it on my Rs but it was useless for my riding style and I cant tell the difference between the Ohlins and the Showa ( I test rode both the S and Standard for 30mins each back to back to back).  4) I can buy a lot of goodies with the saved 4k+

[DoubleEagle]

Dude, you have a 1098R....

Yes , that's correct . I was contemplating getting a Streetfighter S .

My dealer is having a hard time during this Economic slow down and I was thinking I would be helping him and my Salesman I have always dealt with and I'd get a new bike......But, then I'd be back to 4 bikes and something would probably not get ridden much which wouldn't make me very happy.

It would not make sense to trade a 4500 mile S4Rs w, full Termi Exhaust System , Ohlin's Steering Damper, Rizoma Radial Naked Mirrors an open Air box and 14 T Front Sprocket plus at least $10,000 for a stock SF S.

I guess it's my age. I'm feelin' the sands of time runnin' out as far as my time for riding SBKs.

You know the saying . too many bikes ...too little time !

I have the jones for another Super Bike to try for a while.

I need something with the size and power of the " R " but the ergos of a S4Rs.

The " R " kills my Arthritic Knees.

Dolph

[silentbob]

Give me the R and I'll make sure it doesn't go to waste.

[DoubleEagle]

  y

As a previous Rs owner and recently acquiring the SF (2 days ago), I have to agree on the statement above.  The ergos is not as high (seating position wise) as the Hyper but close. 

My Rs was only fitted with Quat-D Ex-Box, DP open airbox and 14t front sprocket.  I have not ridden a fully fitted Rs but to answer your questions comparing the SF to mine is;

Handling? even with the Showa the SF wins imho.  The SF is also lighter (SF 373lbs vs RS 391lbs) the 18 lbs weight reduction and 27 more hp of the SF was eminent on my first test ride.

Braking? Dont know and I probably won't know.  As long as it stops when I need it to, then, its good enough for me.

Egonomics?  I'm only 5'7 with a 30 inseam, I cant flat foot both moto but the SF is much taller (reminded me of when I owned the Daytona 675) a good 1.5 to 2 inches higher but im used to riding a motard so that was not a problem for me.  The Rs's long tank was a problem for me because my arm was too stretched from the seat to the bars.  I tried different bars and risers with no luck so i learned to live with my wrist cramps.  The SF feels more compact, im not overly stretched and my arms are not too spread out.  A bit more upright that your weight goes to your butt and not your arms.  I didnt get cramps at all coming back from the dealer to my house (35 mile ride). 

I also want to add that the foot positioning on the stock rearset is good (i wear a 9), not too high and not too low. 

Do you think the Streetfighter S is a better bike by a S4Rs plus $10,000?   I spent nearly 10k on mods for my Rs and I have to admit that my standard SF outperforms my Rs in every category.

Note; for those who are wondering why I didn’t get the S version is because of the following;
1) DTC, never had it and I doubt I’ll miss it. 2) gold frame and gold wheels are not my cup of tea. 3) Ohlins, had it on my Rs but it was useless for my riding style and I cant tell the difference between the Ohlins and the Showa ( I test rode both the S and Standard for 30mins each back to back to back).  4) I can buy a lot of goodies with the saved 4k+

asado, I appreciate all that you went in to .

If you read my answer to Nakid you may get a better understanding of what my thinking was.

I'm not unhappy with my S4Rs.

I can send it to the Ducshop and spend $7500 and have a bike that will run rings around a kitted Streetfighter S. I really don't want to send my bike a 1000 miles away for a month plus no warranty.

Last I checked I was 6'4" , 247 lbs. and w, Arthritic Knees riding my 1098 R is very painful, especially afterwards and the next couple a days.

Ride one day recuperate for three.

Dolph

[DoubleEagle]

Give me the R and I'll make sure it doesn't go to waste.

Dream on Alice, you'll get to Wonderland some day . 

Now answer my question ......please.   
Dolph     

[silentbob]

If I were you I would get some new rearsets and converti bars for the 1098R.

[asado]

 yasado, I appreciate all that you went in to .

If you read my answer to Nakid you may get a better understanding of what my thinking was.

I'm not unhappy with my S4Rs.

I can send it to the Ducshop and spend $7500 and have a bike that will run rings around a kitted Streetfighter S. I really don't want to send my bike a 1000 miles away for a month plus no warranty.

Last I checked I was 6'4" , 247 lbs. and w, Arthritic Knees riding my 1098 R is very painful, especially afterwards and the next couple a days.

Ride one day recuperate for three.

Dolph

If i have to make that choice, I would spend that 7K+ towards a SF S but only you can decide if the SF suits your needs. 

[DoubleEagle]

If I were you I would get some new rearsets and converti bars for the 1098R.

Good sounding advice Dr. Bob

Thanks.   

Dolph

[DoubleEagle]

If i have to make that choice, I would spend that 7K+ towards a SF S but only you can decide if the SF suits your needs. 

Time will tell, asado .

Dolph   

[LA]

Where the Rs feels like the chassis is coming unglued, the SF feels rock solid.

Sorry Bob, I just can't let that go.  Where is it that the RS chassis starts to "come Unglued"? I don't mean any disrespect here, but I've ridden mine just about as hard as one can be ridden and I've never felt that.  I'm sure that chassis could easily handle 150 rwhp and still not "come unglued".

How much HP does one "need" on a street bike, nekid or otherwise? Probably not 150.  Having said that I felt somehow cheated when the StreetFighter comes out with 5 HP less than the 1098, and doubly so considering that the 1198/s comes with 175 at the crank and around 170 at the rear wheel fully kitted.  This wouldn't bother most peeps, but when a friend pulls me coming our of a turn on a 165 rwhp well setup GSXR it just makes my head want to explode. I can deal with em in the turns, but sometimes there just no substitute for HP no matter how well you ride or how well your bike handles.  I'd like both.

Even if I could afford it, the difference between the SF and a S4RS is not quite enough to make me trade up. Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to have one.  I'd settle for my bike with the 1198 engine. 

Mark at the Duc shop is very good, but If I were going to spend the $$$ on an S4RS engine the heads would go to the flow genius in Canada at MBP and then get a careful blue print build with a lightened crank Ti valves and steel Carillo Rods.

God, this is dreaming. Thank goodness it cost nothing to dream.

I rode my bike the first time this morning after my recent Hip replacement - I'm just thankful to be able to ride at all.

LA

[silentbob]

Where the Rs feels like the chassis is coming unglued, the SF feels rock solid.

Sorry Bob, I just can't let that go.  Where is it that the RS chassis starts to "come Unglued"? I don't mean any disrespect here, but I've ridden mine just about as hard as one can be ridden and I've never felt that.  I'm sure that chassis could easily handle 150 rwhp and still not "come unglued".

It is much the same as the way my 1990 GSXR 1100 felt great until I rode my 1999 R1.  After that the GSXR felt like the Flexible Flyer sled I had when I was a kid.  The SF will also let you put more power to the ground without flipping you over backwards.