Will these parts go together on my S2R800

[donzo]

Hi All:

I've got a 2007 S2R800 and I'm almost happy with the cosmetic mods that I have done, but I'm quiet, too quiet.  What I'm really hot on is a Zard full system with DP ECU and PCIII with an open airbox.  From what I've been reading, this set-up properly tuned will kick ass.  But, that's a rather hefty investment right now.

So, I've got lines on some used items that might be affordable.   But I would like to know if they will all work together and if they will fit my bike.  Any and all comments are welcome.  Here's the parts list:

- Arrow Titanium slip-ons with S-pipes
- Ducati Performance mid-pipe
- DP ECU for S2R800
- open airbox

Here's my questions:
Will the mid-pipe that is currently on a S2R1000 fit my S2R800?
With the mid-pipe and slip-ons, does this essentially make this an Arrow full system?
If I just go for the mid-pipe, s-pipes and slip ons, without an open airbox, is the ECU essential?
If I go for the mid-pipe only and core my stock cans, will I need the ECU?  Or is that only if I open up the air box as well?
So many different combinations.  I need some help.

What sound do you all think is better - Arrow slip-ons or cored stock cans?

Sound and looks is what I'm going for right now.  I hate the udder.  The Arrow slip ons, I'm indifferent about those looks.  I'll get the ECU if any of this makes my bike run terribly.

Will any of this satisfy me until I can get performance fully tuned Zards in the future?

Thanks, Donzo.

[RB]

Will the mid-pipe that is currently on a S2R1000 fit my S2R800?should be f
NO, the header connection to the horizontal cylinder is different.
With the mid-pipe and slip-ons, does this essentially make this an Arrow full system?
NO, but close since the Arrow full system like most for the air cooled models do not use any HP scavenging midpipe. The arrow system will look different.
If I just go for the mid-pipe, s-pipes and slip-ons, without an open airbox, is the ECU essential?
NO, you could add a PCIII which is cheaper then an ECU.
If I go for the mid-pipe only and core my stock cans, will I need the ECU?  Or is that only if I open up the air box as well?
See above


Will any of this satisfy me until I can get performance fully tuned Zards in the future?
NO, just kidding ....that is your call. The Zards aren't going to offer anymore performance then a free flowing system would (midpipe & cored cans). The Zards would be for looks, and sound just like adding any other system.

RB

[donzo]

So, the mid-pipe doesn't fit so I can't use it in combination with any of the other pieces.  Damn udder.

[teddy037.2]

there are mid pipes for the S2R800, iirc, that you should be able to use w/whatever slip-ons you like

DP ECU isn't necessary in any case if you're going w/a PCIII, and makes the most sense once you do pipes + intake mods

I was suprised how quiet cored cans (with udder) were. they did sound good, and is a free mod. they might be louder w/a mid pipe, but I haven't heard one in person.

compared to the cored cans, though, the arrows sound better 


:edit: waaaiiiit... crap. is the 800 closed loop? if your bike has that pesky O2 sensor, your options will be different

[corey]

:edit: waaaiiiit... crap. is the 800 closed loop? if your bike has that pesky O2 sensor, your options will be different

Depends on the year i think.
My '06 S2R800 has no o2 sensor.
You might not need any ecu changes if you don't screw with your intake.
I run a full zard system with a stock airbox, and the bike runs great.
Know of a few others who do the same.

[stopintime]

At least in Europe, probably US as well (?), the '07 is Euro 3 standard and has the O2 sensor.
These bikes run extremely lean and any exhaust mod will make them run poorly or worse.

IMO, at the end of the day, there is no way around the DP ECU if you want smooth operation.

Zard look fantastic, but the DP kit (slip ons, airbox/-filter and ECU) combined with other midpipes is the "cheapest" and safest way to go. No hassle, just plug and play.

[teddy037.2]

At least in Europe, probably US as well (?), the '07 is Euro 3 standard and has the O2 sensor.

^that's good to know!

donzo-read up on the fatduc O2 manipulator to add to your mod list, as well as the "closed loop ECU mods" sticky at the top of this board

[donzo]

I'll do that.  Thanks Guys, I'm pretty sure I don't have an O2 sensor.

[teddy037.2]

I'll do that.  Thanks Guys, I'm pretty sure I don't have an O2 sensor.

it'll be a quick check to find out... but if you do, then the closed loop stuff is a different animal when it comes to fuelling mods

one thing to keep in mind as well, when the 695 came out ('07) that was closed loop, as well. the '06 620 wasn't.

so '06 to '07 S2R might have been a running change, or across the board... that, I don't  know 

[yotogi]

If you don't have closed-loop you are really in better shape than you know.

With the PCIII the ECU upgrade is a waste of money as stated. You can probably get away with the mid and cans and be OK with the stock setup. Other people have posted that they really start noticing the fueling issues when opening the airbox. YMMV. The PCIII will be able to fix all of that though.

Good luck!

[stopintime]

Ducati.com has parts catalogues for 2007, both US and EU editions.

EU edition, page 88 (?) shows a lamda (O2) sensor attached to the udder. (port side, forward facing)
US edition, page 58 (?) shows no sensor.

So, if that's the case, you have a EURO2 bike.
Your options opens up quite a bit - I'm not an expert, nor do I have any FHE with the EURO2.
For sure, these bikes run a little less lean than the EURO3 and will be more forgiving.
I know slip ons are not creating problems, but my guess is that midpipes and open airbox/-filter will.

After confirming (?) you have no sensor, maybe you could talk to MotoWheels or MonsterParts. They won't sell you anything unless they are sure it works, so there should be valuable info to get from them.

My vote is still for the DP ECU (or a reflashed one from member/minor sponsor Monstermash).
The DP/Temignoni package makes a lot of sense, IMO, since it's so much cheaper than DP ECU + aftermarket system.

There might be ways to work around the ECU, but as I said, DP ECU is a sure thing.

[cdv478]

I'd say do the PCIII and exhaust of your choice. I have an '07 S2R800, and it does not have an O2 sensor. The airbox is open with a K&N filter and the exhaust is a Remus Ti Powercone full system. The silencers are high mounted and positioned similar to the Zard system. I adjusted a map I dowloaded from the DynoJet site to smooth out the low speed/small throttle input response, and richen the curve in the upper RPM band. The bike revs from 7k on noticeably faster when accelerating, and it runs smoother at slow speeds. I like it a lot.

One interesting about the DP ECU is that on many models it increases the point where the rev limiter cuts in by about 1000 rpm. I don't know if the DP ECU for the 800 does that. If so, it would be worthwhile to me, because the factory limiter is easy to hit when you remove some of the exhaust restriction and adjust the fuel curve. On the S2R with the stock ECU it seems that the cut is at or about 100 rpm below 9k; at that point, my bike is still winding up very quickly. Whether you go the Termi route or otherwise, any mods of this type will make riding even more addictive.

[squidwood]

alternatively you could go the very cheap route like I did.........My exhaust system is a cut off exhaust using the stock components. It sounds great, requires no adjustments  and cost a whopping 23 cents for a cheap assed hacksaw blade. Its not to everyones liking ,but I love it. It sounds great, looks cool and is cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeap.(Just cannot see spending $13-1500 on an exhaust for bike that only cost $8600 new!!) If you scroll back a couple of pages and hit the thread "MY BIKE" you will see my yellow sweetie ,it is also a S2R from 2005. I bought it new and it now looks like it does in the pic except that a month ago it got a new galfer rear wave rotor.........BTW If you cannot find one for an s2r,the wave rotor listed for the multistroooooooooodel fits right on with no issues.If you guys fit one do yourself a favour and buy new rotor mounting bolts before you swap out the rotors. They are in very tight and rather than try and refit bolts with buggered up allen caps it is easier and safer to fit new ones. They don't cost much and you will be thankful for not havingg to screw with the old ones. Sorry 'bout the mini threadjack.......