Air filter box (bits you take off)

[pennyrobber]

Just start pulling shit off.  Start her up.  Drive her around a bit.  If she runs... that shit wasn't necessary in the first place.  If she don't... then put that shit back on and start pulling shit off from another direction.  Worked for this "shade-tree hack".  I've got a whole pile of shit that I took off of my bike just sitting on a shelf in the garage.  Some folks might look at a piece or two and say "Hey man... that's a pretty important piece of shit that you took off there."  I say "If it were that important, then why is she still running without it?"  As for the stepper motor... try removing it and capping the place where the tubes run into the throttle-bodies.  <The stainless, metric, allen-head bolt section at ACE Hardware is your friend.>  If that don't work just replace tube #18 with a little breather-filter and call it a day.  Replace tube #2 with another breather-filter off of the crank-case.  Then just rip the whole make the beast with two backsing air-box out and stick some pod filters right on to the throttle bodies.  She'll run well enough to get you somewhere they can adjust the fuel trim if necessary.

+1 I can personally vouch for the wheeling popping 620 that this method has worked for.

[hihhs]

No, PC V refers to Power Commander V (as in 5). it's another computer to adjust fueling. it's more expensive than the Juice Box. The Juice box is the most economical box to adjust your fueling. SO, unless you can remap your computer, which I don't think anyone has taken on the new Siemens yet, you will have to junk the idea of junking your airbox until you can get one of the systems.

Basically why you need this...
You're going to give the bike a ton more air leading to a lean condition. which will make the bike run hot and probably like shit.
So, you have to adjust the fueling to add more fuel. well since it's fuel injected you have to either change the amount of fuel the computer is sending (a remap or the Ducati Performance replacement) or intercept the signal and add more fuel (PC V or JB or the like) BUT if you intercept the signal you will also have to intercept the signal from the exhaust sensors that tell the computer... hey you have too much fuel... the PC V, JB and the like do that as well. I think the Ducati Performance total ignores it.

AND this goes along with ...
If you change out the exhausts and air boxes.. add the computer.... you may get about a 7 to 10% HP increase... 2Bros is claiming 7lbs loss, 7lbft torque and 7hp for the 696. so on the 1100 you are figuring more than 100HP

Power Commander's website shows the PC V is "coming soon" and will retail for $360. That kind of money to get rid of a piece of plastic is a little much. BUT $360 to get rid of an ugly POS and INCREASE HORSEPOWER? That is a damn bargain. It would be foolish of me NOT to buy into a deal like that, don't you agree?

So it looks like a bit of waiting game now.

But I gotta admit that the "shade tree-rip shit off" has a certain appeal if only I had access to a mechanic that could unf^*& anything I f^&*ed.

[Raux]

Power Commander's website shows the PC V is "coming soon" and will retail for $360. That kind of money to get rid of a piece of plastic is a little much. BUT $360 to get rid of an ugly POS and INCREASE HORSEPOWER? That is a damned bargain. It would be foolish of me NOT to buy into a deal like that, don't you agree?
But I gotta admit that the "shade tree-rip shit off" has a certain appeal if only I had access to a mechanic that could unf^*& anything I f^&*ed.

to be honest. i'm gonna go the 2Bros JB way with a K&N filter. i ride in the rain too much to go pod filters. I have aftermarket exhausts. so i'm hoping for a 10% gain. and i won't need a mechanic with a dyno to help set up the PC V.

My exhausts cost around 500 dollars, the JB will be another 300 dollars and the filters run between 50-70 dollars. so for less than 900 i think i can get a 10% increase in HP and Torque. <100 dollars a percentage point... ... now after rereading that.. the Stainless Steel Termi system for 1000 with the Ducati Performance computer sounds like a deal ... oh and the Ducati Performance ECU gives you a higher redline!

[DoWorkSon]

I just installed the TB juice box on my 696 since the pcv will never be released it seems like... It's a very easy unit to use and I noticed immediate differences with it... Smoothed out acceleration and made that <4k rpm surging and uneven throttle disappear... I have new slip ons without the baffles and a high flow air filter so my bike was running leaner than stock... I recommend it as a easy and quick fix... Plus it's cheaper

[Bill in OKC]

FWIW the stepper motor is how the ecu adjusts your idle.  I removed mine from my s4rs.  You need to be prepared to adjust your idle air bleeds and cold idle warm-up speed if you remove it.

[hihhs]

FWIW the stepper motor is how the ecu adjusts your idle.  I removed mine from my s4rs.  You need to be prepared to adjust your idle air bleeds and cold idle warm-up speed if you remove it.

Well that doesn't sound like fun.
Thanks for the info.

[hihhs]

to be honest. i'm gonna go the 2Bros JB way with a K&N filter. i ride in the rain too much to go pod filters. I have aftermarket exhausts. so i'm hoping for a 10% gain. and i won't need a mechanic with a dyno to help set up the PC V.

My exhausts cost around 500 dollars, the JB will be another 300 dollars and the filters run between 50-70 dollars. so for less than 900 i think i can get a 10% increase in HP and Torque. <100 dollars a percentage point... ... now after rereading that.. the Stainless Steel Termi system for 1000 with the Ducati Performance computer sounds like a deal ... oh and the Ducati Performance ECU gives you a higher redline!

I've already got the termi's and the performance ECU. Do you think that would cause a problem with the Juice Box?

[Raux]

THAT would have been good information to start with.

You have a free flow intake that came with the kit as well.

I think if you take off the air box and go pod filters you may have to use a fueler, but you are already running less lean or even rich using the DP ECU so the route of take things off til it stops running great may work for you.

[hihhs]

THAT would have been good information to start with.

You have a free flow intake that came with the kit as well.

I think if you take off the air box and go pod filters you may have to use a fueler, but you are already running less lean or even rich using the DP ECU so the route of take things off til it stops running great may work for you.

You are right. At the very beginning of this thread I wrote that I had the termis but I didn't include the the ECU. MY BAD!

I installed the termi slip-ons and ECU just prior to my 600 mile service. The bike ran fine but I could smell that it was running rich. The ducati mechanic came over, did the 600 mile service and tuned it. It runs fine but still smells rich.

The  termi kit did come with an air filter and the vented cap that replaces the stock cap & those were installed also.

What do you mean by "fueler"?

[Raux]

the 2bros JB is a fueler. it really does nothing else but intercept the signal to the fuel injectors and adds more fuel.

i see what you are trying to do by taking the plastic out. but aesthetics vs performance... i would keep the system the way it is. there are other places to pull things off.

[hihhs]

the 2bros JB is a fueler. it really does nothing else but intercept the signal to the fuel injectors and adds more fuel.

i see what you are trying to do by taking the plastic out. but aesthetics vs performance... i would keep the system the way it is. there are other places to pull things off.

I think you are right. It seems like I would be opening a big can-o-worms.
Bummer though. It would look much better with the open frame in front.

[rule62]

If it smells rich, then it could use a little more air.  Maybe not a full removal of the airbox, but a modification.  Hello Mr. Dremel Tool.   

[redial]

I think you are right. It seems like I would be opening a big can-o-worms.
Bummer though. It would look much better with the open frame in front.

i disagree, if you have the DP ecu, you should already be throwing more air in there. your bike is probably running improperly right now

adding pods will more likely fix the bike than break it in the current state you are describing it

er: read the last few posts wrong, but as was said if it smells a bit rich you should definitely be fine adding more airflow. i have a feeling single custom maps run on the rich side as well, since running rich is better than running lean.

[Raux]

i disagree, if you have the DP ecu, you should already be throwing more air in there. your bike is probably running improperly right now

adding pods will more likely fix the bike than break it in the current state you are describing it

hang on... dont change anything. the bike with the DP ECU and free flow airkit is runnnig the right way.
adding even more air will need more fuel.
any changes he makes now... might need a mechanic with a dyno to properly change.

[hihhs]

I'm just very confused now
The bike definitely smells rich. Noticeably so.
It smelled this way after the termi install before the mechanic set the ECU & I figured once the mechanic tuned the ECU this would go away. I only put about 20 miles on between installing the termi and mechanics service & the bike actually ran fine, it just smelled rich. After the service the bike still smells rich & still runs fine.

I started thinking of deleting the airbox purely for cosmetics. But if I can do away with a stinky, rich smell that is even better.
If I had easy access to the mechanic, I would just pull the airbox, set it up the way I want and have him tune it suit. But no such luck.
Hell, for all I know all M1100 smell rich after switching to termi.

Basically, where I live, I have NO ACCESS to expertise... except for all of YOU

So...THANKS VERY MUCH FOR ALL THE HELP.