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Started by Cicero, August 12, 2009, 07:14:26 PM

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Cicero

#15
August 13, 2009, 01:07:34 PM
Its no problem.

Im sure I have 230 to the panel. It would just take running a line to the garage (which is easy cause the panel backs up to it.)  Once I get my shop built, Ill run 230 out to it, and get a Tig. But for now, a 120 will have to do.

They have the Hobart Handler 140 at the local Tractor Supply for $449

The Miller 140 with auto set is $639

The Lincoln Power Mig 140 is $599

Basically I could get the Hobart with a new 40cf cylinder, helmet, jacket  and gloves  for the price of the other two.... but I will be giving up fine adjustments. I cant decide if the savings is worth the trade off. 

cbartlett419

#16
August 13, 2009, 05:37:49 PM
Quote from: Cicero on August 13, 2009, 01:07:34 PM
Basically I could get the Hobart with a new 40cf cylinder, helmet, jacket  and gloves  for the price of the other two

this seems like sound logic

He Man

#17
August 13, 2009, 06:20:59 PM
only very very very old buildings have 110 only. most these days have 3 wire comming in to homes. I have a gas everything building too

honestly, i wouldnt waste my time with 110v welder if you are going to upgrade to a 220v. It would only cost ~$200 bucks in supplies to run a 220v outlet..thats if you are okay with working with electricity. In the long run, you wont have to buy another welder and waste even more money. youd only be spending fractionally more.
and hell if you weld enough you save money on your energy bill!

$20 breaker
$20 conduits
$20 in connectors,box and receptical
$60-$100 in wires depening on gauge size.

I just wired 220v into my garage to run my compressor. its worth it to have 220v.

Cicero

#18
August 13, 2009, 06:31:41 PM
Quote from: He Man on August 13, 2009, 06:20:59 PM
only very very very old buildings have 110 only. most these days have 3 wire comming in to homes. I have a gas everything building too

honestly, i wouldnt waste my time with 110v welder if you are going to upgrade to a 220v. It would only cost ~$200 bucks in supplies to run a 220v outlet..thats if you are okay with working with electricity. In the long run, you wont have to buy another welder and waste even more money. youd only be spending fractionally more.
and hell if you weld enough you save money on your energy bill!

$20 breaker
$20 conduits
$20 in connectors,box and receptical
$60-$100 in wires depening on gauge size.

I just wired 220v into my garage to run my compressor. its worth it to have 220v.


No 230 past the box. No 230 in the laundry room or garage. I dont mess with wiring.

I understand the limitations on a 120. I'm fine with that. When I upgrade its going to be to something like this
http://www.millerwelds.com/products/tig/syncrowave_250_dx/ Right now all I can afford/need a 120 can do. Plus when one of these go on craigslist they usually fetch around 150 less then msrp  (when they are name brand not harbor freight)

All I need help with is selecting one of the three.

ducpainter

#19
August 13, 2009, 06:36:58 PM
Quote from: Cicero on August 13, 2009, 01:07:34 PM
Its no problem.

Im sure I have 230 to the panel. It would just take running a line to the garage (which is easy cause the panel backs up to it.)  Once I get my shop built, Ill run 230 out to it, and get a Tig. But for now, a 120 will have to do.

They have the Hobart Handler 140 at the local Tractor Supply for $449

The Miller 140 with auto set is $639

The Lincoln Power Mig 140 is $599

Basically I could get the Hobart with a new 40cf cylinder, helmet, jacket  and gloves  for the price of the other two.... but I will be giving up fine adjustments. I cant decide if the savings is worth the trade off. 
IMO, it depends on whether the welds are in position or out of position. If you're welding flat the adjustability is not crucial. Once you go to out of position I thinks it's worth the extra money for the fine tuning.
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
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Cicero

#20
August 13, 2009, 06:39:42 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on August 13, 2009, 06:36:58 PM
IMO, it depends on whether the welds are in position or out of position. If you're welding flat the adjustability is not crucial. Once you go to out of position I thinks it's worth the extra money for the fine tuning.

shat  [laugh]  the frame welds will all be out of position, lots of overheads and verts on round tubing.  :P

I got a bunch of birthday money today too, almost have enough for the hobart.  [laugh]

He Man

#21
December 13, 2009, 10:13:36 AM
a long bump, but what did you end up getting?

LowThudd

#22
December 13, 2009, 03:01:14 PM Last Edit: December 13, 2009, 03:03:50 PM by LowThudd
http://www.readywelder.com/

That is my someday baby. Very highly rated and versitile.

ducpainter

#23
December 13, 2009, 03:06:45 PM
Quote from: LowThudd on December 13, 2009, 03:01:14 PM
http://www.readywelder.com/

That is my someday baby. Very highly rated and versitile.
what's with the auto start?
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent."


LowThudd

#24
December 13, 2009, 03:12:33 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on December 13, 2009, 03:06:45 PM
what's with the auto start?

The 1000-CS is the cold start version. That is the one I'd get. I don't know why they made an autostart.

ducpainter

#25
December 13, 2009, 03:14:50 PM
Quote from: LowThudd on December 13, 2009, 03:12:33 PM
The 1000-CS is the cold start version. That is the one I'd get. I don't know why they made an autostart.
I was talking about the sites auto start spiel...

I hate that.

Buy a Miller or Lincoln machine in any voltage you desire and be happy.

"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent."


Monsterlover

#26
December 13, 2009, 03:49:13 PM
Or Hobart, which is made by miller.
"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**

ducpainter

#27
December 13, 2009, 03:53:38 PM
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 13, 2009, 03:49:13 PM
Or Hobart, which is made by miller.
fine
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent."


LowThudd

#28
December 13, 2009, 04:03:06 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on December 13, 2009, 03:14:50 PM
I was talking about the sites auto start spiel...

I hate that.

Buy a Miller or Lincoln machine in any voltage you desire and be happy.



Won't mig alominum or run on car batteries. Here's a better page.

http://www.pullpal.com/readyweld/readyweld.html

ducpainter

#29
December 13, 2009, 04:07:13 PM
Quote from: LowThudd on December 13, 2009, 04:03:06 PM
Won't mig alominum or run on car batteries. Here's a better page.

http://www.pullpal.com/readyweld/readyweld.html
Do you not have power or are you a doomer? ;D
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent."


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