with apologies to any philly fans...

[csp808]

Yeah, They were a storied franchise, "before" Vick.

What suprises me is the number of fans who wanted him back.Its fewer than before since Ryan showed out but some people still believe Vick is the man for the Falcons

[Kopfjäger]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9935324/Vick-serves-as-a-model-for-embattled-NFL-players

[cyrus buelton]

Tony Dungy is about the most stand up coach in recent NFL History.


He has even agreed to mentor Michael Vick.

[sbrguy]

Well, I think there are major differences here, other than the difference between killing animals and killing a human being.  Vick's actions were deliberate and pre-meditated.  As for Stallworth, I know that in my past I've been driving around drunk enough that given the dance of Lady Luck going the other way the same thing could have happened to me.  And I don't think there are many members here who've never driven in a city completely drunk or stoned.  Not to apologize for Stallworth, as he's clearly guilty, but he sure didn't do it intentionally  to make a profit like Vick did.

THIS STATEMENT IS SO STUPID IT DOESN'T DESERVE A RESPONSE OTHER THAN.  "IF YOU DRUNK DRIVE YOU DELIBERATELY CHOSE TO DRIVE DRUNK"

[Langanobob]

THIS STATEMENT IS SO STUPID IT DOESN'T DESERVE A RESPONSE OTHER THAN.  "IF YOU DRUNK DRIVE YOU DELIBERATELY CHOSE TO DRIVE DRUNK"

My my, yet another pink pantied keyboard commando with balls barely big enough to anonymously scream in my face from probably 3,000 miles away.   If you don't agree with my statement why not try to make a logical statement and explanation? 

My point is not to defend Stallworth, just to point out that his crime is different than Vick's.  I don't think any of us have drowned or hanged dogs.  But, and I doubt if there many exceptions, all of us at one time or another have been stupid enough to drive with an illegal amount of alcohol or other substances in our systems and only luck kept us from killing someone.   Does not make it right or OK. For whatever reason, intent and premeditation have a role in law and in sentencing.

[ducpainter]

THIS STATEMENT IS SO STUPID IT DOESN'T DESERVE A RESPONSE OTHER THAN.  "IF YOU DRUNK DRIVE YOU DELIBERATELY CHOSE TO DRIVE DRUNK"

Yelling on the net is bad form.

Knock it off...please.

[Kopfjäger]

we drafted a rookie quarter back who could do what he never did ... WIN

Too bad you didn't keep this one.   


Favre was drafted by the Atlanta Falcons in the second round, 33rd overall in the 1991 NFL Draft.[12] On July 19, 1991, Favre agreed to a three-year, $1.4 million contract with a reported signing bonus of $350,000. [13] Atlanta coach Jerry Glanville did not approve of the drafting of Favre, saying it would take a plane crash for him to put Favre into the game.[14] Favre's first pass in an NFL regular season game resulted in an interception returned for a touchdown. He only attempted four passes in his career at Atlanta, completing none of them.

[DCXCV]

Favre's first pass in an NFL regular season game resulted in an interception returned for a touchdown.

So one of his NFL career records started on his very first pass?  That's awesome. 

[Kopfjäger]

So one of his NFL career records started on his very first pass?  That's awesome. 

His first pass. 

Brett Favre : First Touchdown?




His first completion.   

Brett Favre's First Completion

[csp808]

Hilarious ive always heard about that pass but ive never actually seen it

[OT]

After much soul searching, and having re-read Dale Carnegie a few times, I feel moved to conclude that this was a predictable decision:

The Eagles are a loser franchise.

The Eagles run TO out of town (best player/winner they've ever had - even if he's nuts) but sign Vick?

Philly cops are being shot at all-time, record-high rates - and Vick will become a role model for these thugs, as I hear dog fighting is pretty popular in parts of north and west Philly.

Andy Reid can relate to Vick, as his sons are both convicted felons.

Governor Ed Rendell will (finally) resign from the post-game show.

McNabb takes credit for lobbying to get Vick on the team....what's that all about?

McNabb is the biggest loser in the NFL.

[Kopfjäger]

After much soul searching, and having re-read Dale Carnegie a few times, I feel moved to conclude that this was a predictable decision:

The Eagles are a loser franchise.

The Eagles run TO out of town (best player/winner they've ever had - even if he's nuts) but sign Vick?

Philly cops are being shot at all-time, record-high rates - and Vick will become a role model for these thugs, as I hear dog fighting is pretty popular in parts of north and west Philly.

Andy Reid can relate to Vick, as his sons are both convicted felons.

Governor Ed Rendell will (finally) resign from the post-game show.

McNabb takes credit for lobbying to get Vick on the team....what's that all about?

McNabb is the biggest loser in the NFL.

Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do.
Dale Carnegie

[OT]

Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do.
Dale Carnegie

Rule #1 -- I was giving predictions and opinions.

Live in Philly for 20 years and you'll agree with everything I've said...

[Popeye the Sailor]

The point is he intentionally drove drunk...he didn't intentionally kill someone. That was a horrible accident.

One was an accident caused by an exceedingly poor choice...the other was an intentional act.

I maintain they're the same thing. It was not an accident. It was an intentional act. Running a gambling/dog fighting ring is also an exceedingly poor choice. You saying when you're drunk you're unaware of what you're doing? I think not.

My point is not to defend Stallworth, just to point out that his crime is different than Vick's.  I don't think any of us have drowned or hanged dogs.  But, and I doubt if there many exceptions, all of us at one time or another have been stupid enough to drive with an illegal amount of alcohol or other substances in our systems and only luck kept us from killing someone.   Does not make it right or OK.

I've never once driven on drugs or with liquor in me. It's not hard.


In other news, yes, the crimes were different, but no, neither one was an accident. The common thread was that they were both make the beast with two backsing morons.

[somegirl]

Violence towards animals is often a predictor of violence towards humans.

From the HSUS:

Many studies in psychology, sociology, and criminology during the last 25 years have
demonstrated that violent offenders frequently have childhood and adolescent histories of serious
and repeated animal cruelty. The FBI has recognized the connection since the 1970s, when its
analysis of the lives of serial killers suggested most, as children, had killed or tortured animals. Other
research has shown consistent patterns of animal cruelty among perpetrators of more common forms
of violence, including child abuse, spouse abuse, and elder abuse. In fact, the American Psychiatric
Association considers animal cruelty one of the diagnostic criteria of conduct disorder.