ungeheuer 1100S - Rexxer ECU reflash + PC5 + AT100 Dual Autotune.

[mickb]

sorry Unge, forgot to ask:

Is the ECU the same for both the partial & the Full termi set-ups?

cheers.

[ungeheuer]

Nope. Different ECUs.  Although I doubt they vary significantly. 

Soooo... if you buy a complete new set of Termi slipon cans what you get is:
1x pair of slip on cans (funnily enough, eh)
1x "racing" airbox cover (it has 3 more small holes for.... lol... better breathing)
1x "hi-flo" air filter
1x "racing" ECU (still with inputs for 02 sensors and exhaust flapper servo)

Whereas if you buy a complete new Termi Full System what you get is:
1x pair of slip on cans (identical to the slipons)
The set of larger diameter header pipes without silly flappergate
1x "racing" airbox cover (it has 3 more small holes for.... lol... better breathing)
1x "hi-flo" air filter
1x "racing evo" ECU (still with inputs for 02)

[mattc7]

Waspworks.  First impressions....
Sun shone today so I took the opportunity to take a test ride  [moto].  

I was hoping there'd be noticeable improvements..... but FMD  , this thing is a TOTAL TRANSFORMATION.  

Oh sure there is noticeably more urge in the 4000 to 6000 rpm range.  And the induction roar is so beautifully, overwhelmingly addictive it makes the sound of the Termis seem secondary.  And of course those things are nice.  Very nice.   But for me the most mind blowingly impressive improvement is in the way it now does what it does.   The motor's previous lumpiness is gone.  Not that that ever bothered me, its just that now power delivery is so totally smooth that it makes what it was before seem crudely agricultural.  Pulls like a turbine all the way to from idle until the "game over" lights chime in.  And chime in they did.  Often.  I seemed to be hitting the rev limiter more today than in all of the previous 8000kms combined.  And I wasnt trying to do so...... its just so seductively tractable that you wanna keep winding it on  .   I found myself using the entire rev range more than ever before.

And remember mine hasnt yet seen a dyno, its PC5 is running with Wasp's mapping for Termi slipons with racing ECU, not specific mapping for my Termi Full system + racing Evo ECU combo.  I still have to get to a dyno to tweak it to absolute perfection.

This then IMHO is the single greatest improvement to the bike to date.  And not for the reasons I was expecting either.  

Fanbloodytastic  

Any Dyno opportunity yet?

I'm curious to see what kind of numbers the kit puts down.  Too bad you didn't test a before/after!

[TAftonomos]

Any Dyno opportunity yet?

I'm curious to see what kind of numbers the kit puts down.  Too bad you didn't test a before/after!

Which is really all that is relevant when talking about dyno numbers.  It's just an arbitrary number otherwise.

I would have liked to see a before/after as well...

[mattc7]

Which is really all that is relevant when talking about dyno numbers.  It's just an arbitrary number otherwise.

I would have liked to see a before/after as well...

Feel good numbers to make me want it more

and if they're not super high, then it'll make me more comfortable with waiting alittle longer (until the kits are available).

Either way, I know it means nothing, but I still want to know. 

[DoWorkSon]

If you really are impatient and want something like this, the TPO air kit(pretty much same design) will work on the 696/1100.

All that you would need to do to make it work is

1. Buy a power commander
2. Make mount for all the internal electronics that are moved by removing intake box(same that that waspworks does).

If you look at the pictures of the bracket that waspworks has made you get the idea.

This is an option that I am contemplating since the ETA for release is extended right now and this one could potentially be much cheaper....

[mattc7]

I've considered it, but from what I've read overall, it seems like there's a similar height to these, with a good bit more surface area, and wider mouth. 

What theory states, is that this should raise the midrange/low grunt, and the high-end, whereas the beasts are designed more for one or the other.

The differences are probably mild, but I've been watching this for awhile, so I might as well stick with it.  These guys put alot more work into producing these kits (dyno tuning PCVs, more machining, and creating a bracket for each application).  I'm willing to wait/support those endeavors, rather than the other, which is more of the same tools used for a new application.

The differences might be super-small/negligible, but after seeing/hearing/reading the work Wasp puts into these, it would feel wrong

[ungeheuer]

Even if fitting the WASP kit added nothing to the BHP and/or Torque numbers, I think I've already indicated that the quality of the power delivery is so vastly improved that for me, its already totally justified its worth.  That said, there are numbers out there showing M1100 stock vs WASP kit = +4HP.

Charts below compare stock to various iterations of WASP kit + Termi cans/ ECU.  Interestingly, the highest number's were for WASP kit + stock exhaust & stock ECU although the Termi runs show better midrange numbers.

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B8GYk44zAjpmZDcwZmFmNzEtYTZkNS00N2Y4LTg1ZTctNjU3MzIxZTMzY2Yz&hl=en_GB

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B8GYk44zAjpmYzAzYTYzMTYtN2JiNi00OTY5LWJmNGMtMTQ0ZGNmNWIyMWMz&hl=en_GB

Given 98.5HP running stock headers, I'd be expecting that with Termi Full System and flashed "o2s be gone" ECU I can do better again in the mid-range.  Maybe also top 100hp to keep you numbers freaks happy too  .  We'll know soon, hopefully I'll get a Dyno run in on Saturday (assuming I get my reflash issues resolved in time). 

Yes, I'll post the results  .

[iRam]

nice mods!!!  its amazing what you can do to this bikes. 

[jvax]

Just read the whole thread...

I never knew you could dehydrate from overdrooling 

Fantabulisticulous work 

[ungeheuer]

jvax and iRam - Thanks for the kind words  

Finally got my ECU reflashed to delete the stock o2s and closed loop  .  I wont go into the details here, those who're interested in the LONG story can clicky here >> http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=41934.0

And also - in what I believe to be an M1100 World 1st - I'm pretty damn chuffed to have figured out how to setup Dynojet's AT-100 Dual Autotune option for PCV .  Again for those of you with no social life here's the full story >> http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=42213.0

So, since I have Autotune functioning so damned well..... why proceed with the Dyno I hear you ask.  Really - and after so many doubts - I dont think its absolutely necessary.  But I'm in it this deep already, might as well see what else I can learn.

[Raux]

What i would like to see you do is take a computer with you with a few different Autotune maps for testing on the dyno.

[Veloce-Fino]

jvax and iRam - Thanks for the kind words  

 But I'm in it this deep already, might as well see what else I can learn spend.

 

fixed it^

[Amlethae]

Dude you need to dyno this thing just to see what the numbers are looking like with that Autotune & everything else... good lord! 

[ungeheuer]

fixed it^

Thanks VF, but I do already have a wife.  
Besides, the owner of the dynocentre is doing me a discount deal to compensate for wasting a day of my life last time.  No, really.  

Dude you need to dyno this thing just to see what the numbers are looking like .....

Do I really need to?  I dont think so.  I'm more interested in how it delivers whatever power it makes than the headline numbers.  And to be honest I am totally happy with how it performs right now.....