Preload Adjustable Caps for Non-Adjustable Forks?

[corey]

Anyone know if anybody makes something like this for the non-adjustable Marzocchi's on the m800/s2r800?

http://traxxion.com/detail-67.aspx

[stopintime]

Ducati made them a few years back - so you might find some used - I didn't

AFAIK nothing much for our forks other than various degrees of internal work.
If you have enough $$$ there is the Matris cartridge kit at about $950 - includes custom springs, but not shipping
    http://www.carpimoto.com/content/prod/l_EN/s_6_Suspensions__Wheels/fi_17_Matris/pr_28217_Matris_Fork_Cartridge_Kit_for_Ducati_Monster_400_05__620__800_03_04_750_900ie_2002_S2R_800.htm

[corey]

Yea i got a quote through PJ's parts a few months back to have the kit delivered. I was looking at about $965 shipped, not too bad really. It's the install that adds the extra $300-ish that makes it a bit TOO much.

I've initiated a conversation with Traxxion to see what they can do for me, I'll keep you posted.

[stopintime]

Hey!!!

Another search over at CarpiMoto - these showed up

http://www.carpimoto.com/content/prod/l_EN/s_1_Home/br_8_Ducati/bi_794_Monster_S2R_800/sp_1/pr_34513_Bitubo_Fork_Cartridge_Kit_Ducati_Monster_620_695_S2R_800.htm

[corey]

Hmm interesting.. But at that price, May as well go with the matris kit right?

[stopintime]

They are about half the price, but don't offer adjustability other than preload.....

EuroCorsa in Canada is listed as a dealer - they might help out with questions about customized valves and such, if you need anything other than the standard lightweight Italian rider setup.

It's just nice to have alternatives....

[corey]

Indeed it is. If i cant find an alternative for under $800, I'm just going to have PJ's order me the matris kit. May as well get what i want if im forking over a grand. Whats another $200-$300...

I'm hoping traxxion might want to get in on the game and make something for the S2R, or at least help me figure something out. These forks are pretty common, I know I'm not the only person riding around on them that wants more from them without swapping to completely new forks.

[DarkStaR]

http://www.protwins.co.uk/products_monster/monster_sus/prod_monster_sus12.html


If anyone does contact them, let me know how much they are.   

[weemonster]

http://www.protwins.co.uk/products_monster/monster_sus/prod_monster_sus12.html


If anyone does contact them, let me know how much they are.   

I just phoned them and spookily the guy on the phone knew the answer to my question straight away because someone had called earlier this morning asking the same Question.
They are no longer available and in his opinion were not worth it anyway.

he recommended  a set of adjustable Showas for £545 plus tax and shipping. tax is 15%
not bad for brand new suspension but not cheap either.

[stopintime]

That was me who called - I spoke to Brett and he was going to check and call me back.

Too bad they are discontinued. Did he mention the price and why they weren't worth it?

Showa fork for £545 really sounds like an ok price, especially if that includes springs and valves/oil of choice. I don't think outside-EU-customer will have to pay tax though. Shipping could be expensive...

[weemonster]

he couldn't remember the price. But said that it was alot for one way adjustment.
you would still need springs and oil and labour.
compared to the showas which are a whole new set up ready to go.

I dno't know for sure but i think you are right about the tax.
if it works the same way as a with Pringle golf jersey then they fill in a tax form with your details.
Theres a slight difference in price tho 

[fasterblkduc]

Hey!!!

Another search over at CarpiMoto - these showed up

  That's a lot of $$ to adjust your preload. You can spend about five bucks and DIY. Just go buy some PVC from your local hardware store and
cut it to length. That's what you have in there stock...plastic spacer.

Or, if you want to save a ton of money, and get the same end results:
I would recommend ordering the correct springs for your weight, then set your preload correctly. Just doing this will make a world of difference
without spending a ton of money. You can even adjust your compression and rebound by changing out fork oil to a different weight. If you
just want to throw a ton of money at fully adjustable forks for the bling factor then...knock yourself out. If you want to learn more about
how your suspension actually works and set it up yourself, then buy a suspension book and DIY for a hell of a lot cheaper. There is a really good
book about suspension by Andrew Trevitt that you can find at B&Noble.

Springs from Racetech = $100
fork oil                      = $20
suspension book         = $25
spacers                     = $5

Total                        = $150

I won several class championships racing a Monster with stock forks that I set up myself, and I know plenty of other people that have done the same
so if it's good enough to ride at a level where it's very critical to get it right, then it's sure as hell good enough for anything you do
on the street.
 

[stopintime]

But isn't the biggest issue with the Marzocchi fork that it offers VERY little rebound? If so, wouldn't other things than spring and oil be required? My suspension shop did something (trade secret ) with my internals to accomplish a good rebound dampening.

[fasterblkduc]

Yes, there is little rebound and the only way to really adjust it is to change the weight of the oil. Your suspension guy probably drilled out your stock valve or something which is a great idea.

My point is that you can make these adjustments on the cheap if you're willing to do the labor yourself. it's really easy it just takes a little time and patience. You would be amazed at how much you can change the rebound with lighter oil. And if you go buy the book that I recommended and read it, it takes the mystery out of what your suspension is and does.
 

[corey]

Perhaps i will look into this book. I'm looking to gain a suspension that performs safely and well for my weight, and could care less about adjustability if it is set right for ME. Unless i gain 50lbs... Which could happen... Velveeta...

Fasterblkduc,
My biggest problem is i don't understand much about how my fork works internally, and why mine are inferior, other than that are undersprung. Is it possible to replace the valving, rather than modify it? Any insight on how this stuff works (short version) and what i can do to make it work better is MUCH appreciated.