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[brad black]

my apologies to all here, especially paul for whom i can not understand how i've generated such a bad impression of myself.

i was just trying to give impartial advice to someone i've never met about what the possible and realistic outcome of what he's pursuing based on my 13 years of working for a ducati dealership and the possible implications of a "warranty" based outcome and how that might cost him more than it initially would appear.  I've had a bit of experience with that.

i don't believe any of what i said was based on my opinion of what should happen or that i gave any opinion of my own as to the owner or his bike.  if the owner feels i have then he can take it up with me.

it's situations like this that make me glad i no longer have to deal with warranty or be the person in between a screaming owner and an indifferent importer.

i wish the man good luck.

[Spider]

p.s, spider, i haven't lost the plot, nor have i been drinking, the business decisions made by nfi or the dealers are what they are, but for a small business owner to casually dismiss any responsibility on behalf of a dealer or distributor isn't really a ringing endorsement of going to bat for a customer.
i'm lucky you're not a moderator huh? well no offense mate, but i don't really care about being suspended for speaking my mind, and as for rants, i hope yours gets you a discount on your next service from brad, cause from what i've heard they are bloody expensive

there's a difference between speaking your mind, and attacking someone for no logical reason just because you read things into a statement that no one else can read. You lost it and instead of hiding behind 'freedom of speech' and branding your self the 'speaks it as it is' why not go back and read the thread....then perhaps you might understand why I believe what you did was way out of line.

I've dealt with quite a few of the businesses in Melbourne when it comes to my bikes....and unlike you...I actually know about the man I speak about and wouldn't hesitate to say when it comes to looking after clients, everyone else has let me down or dissappointed me....except Brad.

I don't need my written word to get me a discount, mate, I have my good looks for that. The fact you had to try and discredit my opinion and try and say it was 'a suck' does show how thin the premise of your argument and attack was.

[loony888]

there's a difference between speaking your mind, and attacking someone for no logical reason just because you read things into a statement that no one else can read. You lost it and instead of hiding behind 'freedom of speech' and branding your self the 'speaks it as it is' why not go back and read the thread....then perhaps you might understand why I believe what you did was way out of line.

I've dealt with quite a few of the businesses in Melbourne when it comes to my bikes....and unlike you...I actually know about the man I speak about and wouldn't hesitate to say when it comes to looking after clients, everyone else has let me down or dissappointed me....except Brad.

I don't need my written word to get me a discount, mate, I have my good looks for that. The fact you had to try and discredit my opinion and try and say it was 'a suck' does show how thin the premise of your argument and attack was.

i didn't say it was "a suck", who's reading inferences in now? and it wasn't an attack, i was questioning brad's apparent indifference to a customers ( not one of his) plight. i read the thread, and quite frankly i don't give a toss what you believe is out of line, i have no interest in discrediting your opinion, you're entitled to it and if that means you're a fan of brad then so be it, why should i care? i have no personal grudge against you, or brad for that matter.
and get over yourself, you're not that good looking.


paul.

[bigiain]

i didn't say it was "a suck", who's reading inferences in now? and it wasn't an attack, i was questioning brad's apparent indifference to a customers ( not one of his) plight.

Paul, we've had run-ins before, and I honestly believe you're _not_ a dickhead, but that your somewhat abrasive "internet persona" comes across that way sometimes.

This is one of those times.

Brad provided an experienced inside view of what's going to happen when pju's bike gets to a dealer (and, I'll point out, got thanked by pju for it), and you've turned that around into Brad's "indifference to a customers plight". You say "it wasn't an attack", but maybe you typed all of that with a questioning face we can't see 'cause it sure looked like one to me (and Spider and Brad).

I think you owe Brad an apology. You can weasel out and say "I'm sorry people _thought_ what I wrote was an attack", or you can be a man and _actually_ apologise - but in this case _you_ are in the wrong.

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[Spider]

i didn't say it was "a suck", who's reading inferences in now? 


paul.

Paul, by saying that you hope I get a discount from my comments/rant (and I do rant) IS saying that my motivation is questionable....when quite simply it isn't....my problem is that you are simply wrong AND rude. When I call you on it you question my reasons, you wouldn't act like this at the pub if we we all standing around cause you'd get smacked but you'll insult someone here who's only trying to help.

[loony888]

Paul, by saying that you hope I get a discount from my comments/rant (and I do rant) IS saying that my motivation is questionable....when quite simply it isn't....my problem is that you are simply wrong AND rude. When I call you on it you question my reasons, you wouldn't act like this at the pub if we we all standing around cause you'd get smacked but you'll insult someone here who's only trying to help.

don't presume to know how i would be at the pub, i had no intentions of insulting anyone, but i'll happily say in person what i say here.

[loony888]

Paul, we've had run-ins before, and I honestly believe you're _not_ a dickhead, but that your somewhat abrasive "internet persona" comes across that way sometimes.

This is one of those times.

Brad provided an experienced inside view of what's going to happen when pju's bike gets to a dealer (and, I'll point out, got thanked by pju for it), and you've turned that around into Brad's "indifference to a customers plight". You say "it wasn't an attack", but maybe you typed all of that with a questioning face we can't see 'cause it sure looked like one to me (and Spider and Brad).

I think you owe Brad an apology. You can weasel out and say "I'm sorry people _thought_ what I wrote was an attack", or you can be a man and _actually_ apologise - but in this case _you_ are in the wrong.

big

firstly, my abrasive persona on here is direct, unambiguous and easily understood, i do not talk in circles, or inuendo, if i mean to say something i will say it, unlike you. you call me a "dickhead" and a "weasel" and go about it in a way that offers you deniability, i didn't start the name calling, i didn't tell someone "make the beast with two backs you" until that person said it to me. brad can talk to people on here with that language and you say nothing about it! yet you chastise me like some spoilt child because i dare question brad?? what sort of moderator are you? i know you have your little clique and being short of decent mechanics you have to keep good ones on side but how transparent can you be?  i do not apologise because i am told to, save that for your children, it doesn't work on adults, i will apologise when i feel it is warranted, so guess what, no apology.

paul.
p.s, who edited the post by brad with the obsenities? you ian? or brad? i don't see a public dressing down for that, if anything is offensive it's the word c#*t!

[bigiain]

... but i don't really care about being suspended for speaking my mind ...

Just in case anyone was wondering, that's what's happened. Paul may be back in a month...

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[Betty]

Just in case anyone was wondering, that's what's happened. Paul may be back in a month...

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I'm disappointed it came to this too.

I don't want to stir up more shit ... but I honestly don't know who was to blame for blowing things out of proportion - it was definitely not one sided. I am not going to go back and re-read everything either.

My quick interpretation would be Brad expressed a typical dealer/NFI viewpoint (of which he is neither) and Loony suggested that was a cop out from which he, as a disgruntled customer, would not take kindly to ... everything was hypothetical up to that point. Then people started to get really upset.

Loony is quite right in that he doesn't talk in riddles and is very upfront ... he doesn't hide from what he says or hide under another name as has happened in here before. Therefore I also support his decision not to apologise and stay true to his point of view despite the pressures he was copping from various fronts - takes character I reckon.

Anyway I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't make a return and I think that would be a shame as he actually contributes quite a bit of moto specific content and appears quite knowledgeable and obviously passionate. Unfortunately I think he feels quite isolated in Qld and with no real face to face time with other members he doesn't have the 'relationships' that some of us enjoy.

Now can we fire up the Qld Police vs Cyclists thread again ... I need some entertainment.

[Jukie]

... anyway most of you guys know i speak my mind too, but in a different way. i say what i think, whether it is appropriate at the time or not. i dont really care. im here to live life and enjoy it not to be ruled by it.  Anyway let get back to a happy place like STORY TIME  

[dragonworld.]

Unfortunately these things will always happen, seen it on a lot of other sites, so its a given.

But, just like Bazz said I'm not getting involved, but there was more than 1 party involved in this and the one that got banged doesnt appear to be the one that started the "F*** Y**".


Bang one, bang 'em all!!  


No more to be said, lets get on with more fun and depravity.


JUKIE, JUKIE !! where is Jukie when ya want her.  

[Spider]

I got upset for a reason. Brad and I both work in industries where reputation is very important.

If one of your friends had a banking problem and I (with over 10 years experience) commented on how the business decision would need to be made, I would not take lightly to being attacked and having my professionalism taking into account.

I take comments like that very seriously. And since Betty alluded to it, we've had one case here of a member casting comments about someone else's reputation, they were removed from the site and we all banded behind the victim....so I know the community here takes slander seriously and Brad deserves that defence as much as anyone else.

[bazz20]

i dont think loony should have been banned buts thats out of my hands  it should have been mediated better but im not choosing sides and alot of times i dont express my self very well and do seem to be blunt but english is not my best subject and i do apoligise for this but the main issue still left about this is that , ducati does not look after there clients, ive been in the marine industry all my life and even when there a problem  thats been brought about by the owner i and and the not mentioned make had too were it so why is it that ducati charges a premium and doesnt back up its product , i take my hat of to my local ducati dealer with out them i would not be riding a ducati iv had a couple of disputes and has been there for me and pressure  nfi to get things done and they have never charged me a cent , in return i have bought all my bikes through them . i hate to read these threads because i really enjoy ozmonsters and will protect all that type hear a sad day indeed cheers bazz

[bigiain]

but the main issue still left about this is that , ducati does not look after there clients

That's true, and if that's what Paul had been ranting about I would have been right there behind him. Brad is not Ducati, is not even an employee of a Ducati dealer any more, and actually provided useful and informed advice (and got thanked by the original poster), and Paul decided to rip into Brad's business and reputation. That's _not OK_. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and offered him the opportunity to apologise, and he decided to continue to misrepresent his words and chose to continue to be "not OK". He's done it before, I'm sure he'll do it again, and I'm gonna end up being the one who has to ban him again. And that sucks - I hate it.

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[Betty]

Alrighty so since the sledging of Loony has continued in his absence I have now re-read the entire thread ... and I've got say 'what the hell are you guys on about?'. I was seeing both points of view but the longer it has gone on the more ridiculous things have become.

Now I am used to be misunderstood but perhaps some of you guys should go back and re-read the thread yourselves and look at it from Loony's stated point of view.

Things I have been unable to find:
. slander or attack on Brad
. ripping into Brad, his business or reputation
. where it was implied that Brad represents or is Ducati
. any questioning of Brad's professionalism

I know we all interpret things differently but I just can't find any of these things written or implied. There is however one post which has mysteriously disappeared so perhaps there are others which I can no longer see.

It would seem that there have been a number of questions raised as to Loony's character however both explicitly and implicitly.

I'm willing to play, give me your best (while I'm still here).

And since Betty alluded to it, we've had one case here of a member casting comments about someone else's reputation, they were removed from the site and we all banded behind the victim....so I know the community here takes slander seriously and Brad deserves that defence as much as anyone else.

... and if this is the case that I think it is ... I wasn't aware that the 'someone' had a reputation. As for the 'community' taking it seriously it would have been nice if we had actually uncovered who was responsible. Or if the member of the community had owned up.