Queensland the stupid police state #2

[916_tommy_s4]

I wonder if the coppers will be able to still read my bike transponder when its wedged up Captain Bligh's rear end.... which is where half these "rules", "laws" and "safety measures" come from. We should all start up a bike club here, no doubt it'll be dubbed "outlaw" in no time and we won't even be able to phone each other to organise rides....  They can all go and get rooted. I'm still going to keep riding and having fun.

[Betty]

Back from the dead ... resurrected old thread. Sorry but it is kinda related.

Read this article earlier:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/football/a-league/farina-fined-and-disqualified-for-drink-driving/2009/11/02/1257010136580.html

... and it had me thinking. Do you think this is fair?

We often complain about speed enforcement, but what do you think about a prominent person copping a $500 fine and a 3 month suspension for a second drink driving offence?

What sort of speeding offence would attract the same punishment? Do you think it is fair?

I don't tend to take a very good view of drink driving - maybe it is just the vulnerability of riding a bike ... but the situation just seemed a bit wrong to me.

I know he lost his job as a consequence (you could say the writing was on the wall there anyway) ... but FFS he is now talking about teaching in schools. There doesn't seem to be much in the way of acceptance on his part either "very sorry and terribly embarrassed" doesn't seem to convey an understanding of the big picture.

Rant, rant, bloody rant.

[heatherp]

The punishment seems more apt for a first DUI offence not a second one.

He was way over the limit on his way to his work.  (We have 0.00 at work - if tested postitive for alcohol,  employees are off site & contractors banned)

He's a public figure - supposed role model.

If he drank a whole bottle of chardy plus a couple of glasses of red to himself I think he also has a drinking problem. 

Throw the book at him and take him to AA.

[bazz20]

The punishment seems more apt for a first DUI offence not a second one.

He was way over the limit on his way to his work.  (We have 0.00 at work - if tested postitive for alcohol,  employees are off site & contractors banned)

He's a public figure - supposed role model.

If he drank a whole bottle of chardy plus a couple of glasses of red to himself I think he also has a drinking problem. 

Throw the book at him and take him to AA.

shit thats nothing i used too nock over a couple of bottles of  rum ion a night and never hurt either 

[heatherp]

shit thats nothing i used too nock over a couple of bottles of  rum ion a night and never hurt either 

Did you drive a vehicle and/or go to work after knocking over the bottles of rum?

I've been known to down a lot too when I was younger but these days I'm trying to get my liver to work for as long as possible. 

[loony888]

Back from the dead ... resurrected old thread. Sorry but it is kinda related.

Read this article earlier:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/football/a-league/farina-fined-and-disqualified-for-drink-driving/2009/11/02/1257010136580.html

... and it had me thinking. Do you think this is fair?

We often complain about speed enforcement, but what do you think about a prominent person copping a $500 fine and a 3 month suspension for a second drink driving offence?

What sort of speeding offence would attract the same punishment? Do you think it is fair?

I don't tend to take a very good view of drink driving - maybe it is just the vulnerability of riding a bike ... but the situation just seemed a bit wrong to me.

I know he lost his job as a consequence (you could say the writing was on the wall there anyway) ... but FFS he is now talking about teaching in schools. There doesn't seem to be much in the way of acceptance on his part either "very sorry and terribly embarrassed" doesn't seem to convey an understanding of the big picture.

Rant, rant, bloody rant.

i couldn't agree more! all these idiots are concerned about are "appearances" make the beast with two backs how you look to others you dickhead! how about the increased risk of killing someones mum or dad? maiming a child? the law is way too soft on drink driving, they see it as a social curse, not the life threatening reckless behaviour it is. if i had my way ALL offenders would be banned for a year, $2000 fine. 2nd offense? banned for life, car/bike/truck/bus CONFISCATED, for good. caught again? jail, and lots of it, none of this pathetic commumity service, and a paltry fine. farina was making what as a coach? and he got a $500 fine? make the beast with two backs me! even i can come up with that with little effort.
And before any wowsers want to compare it to speeding, don't bother, it's nothing similar, usually when people speed they're enjoying what they're doing and concentrating on it, even if they're not very good drivers they are in more control than the habitual drinker at .05


paul.

[bazz20]

Did you drive a vehicle and/or go to work after knocking over the bottles of rum?

I've been known to down a lot too when I was younger but these days I'm trying to get my liver to work for as long as possible. 

i did let my horse take me home one night im glad he new the way through the bush cause i had no idea i just enjoyed the ride , im now a green tea totlerer and only can have a light beer every now and then

[Spider]

agree paul....there should be a 'banned for life' so that a person loses the right to drive....and they need to start taking licenses off people for longer....1 year for a drink driving offence etc.

and licenses should be more extensive and expensive that way people respect it more...

it's true that speed does seem to focus the mind...I experienced it today....I normally have to remind myself to really be paranoid in daily traffic....and really concentrate on everything...but today (being a public holiday) I moved a lot quicker on the road and the brain was very focused and attentive with the sensory stimulus that was provided, I didn't have to focus on being focused, I just was!....on the big highways and dead straight roads in the country they should remove speed limits that way people can find a speed that keeps them alert but that isn't above their skill level. Speed limits cause bad drivers to drive a t a limit that they aren't comfortable with and they think that that is 'safe' whilst removing that number means they'd decide what they feel comfortable with and take into account traffic, weather, road condition etc.

[Betty]

Mostly agree Loonydude and Spiderman.

There was an article in the Herald last week (was the hard copy and I couldn't find it online) which spoke about a proposal for increasing speed limits. It was similar to what you are saying and that on the open road (out of town) the biggest killer is fatigue ... people become inattentive and fatigued because they are bored travelling so slowly at a constant speed.

But like usual, speed is quoted as the major contributor in fatalities and they are right ... if the drunken, skill-less inconsiderate arsehole that fell asleep at the wheel wasn't moving then they wouldn't have killed that young family. One valid question raised in the article was phrased quite well, something like: 'speed may have been a factor, but was the car even exceeding the posted speed limit?'

I'd suggest that most of the time the 'cause of the incident' was not actually the greatest contributor.

[NFG]

Speed is a magnifier.  If you're driving in a way that exceeds the abilities of your car or your driving skills, speed will make it worse.  By itself, it's harmless.  The biggest reason it's the focus of so much government attention is because it's easy: you can create legislation that penalizes drivers exceeding a speed, 'cause it can be measured.    Most other causes of accidents are things that cannot be objectively measured: sloppiness, attentiveness, knowledge of the rules.

I have a fast car and I speed like a demon when it's safe.  I don't do it in traffic, I don't do it on unfamiliar roads or around blind corners.  If I see a straight stretch and visibility's good, I'll wind it up to 180 or faster and I'll smile until I have to slow down.  Am I danger to other drivers?  I don't think so, 'cause I pay attention, I have big Brembo brakes and fat tires with gobs of grip. 

Cops can't gauge my skills, my attentiveness, or my awesomeness.  The only thing they can do, especially without stopping me, is gauge my speed, and when the only tool you have is a hammer...

Well, I'm a shiny blue nail when I'm driving fast, aren't I?

Aww dammit, I'm rambling.

Drunk drivers are antisocial, ignorant bastards, and they should lose their license for a painful time on their first offense.  The second should hurt them a lot more, and if they cause an accident, the penalty if they're found to be drunk should be far more severe.

[CairnsDuc]

How the Legal system is make the beast with two backsed up in this Country
I mentioned this when it happened about 6 months ago.

Within 2 days of each other:
1. Young Woman gets Impatient, and runs a red light and hits a Driver going in the other direction who had the right of way, The driver in the right is Killed, she walks away from the Accident.

2. Young Guy, Also go's against the lights and pulls out in front of a Motorcyclist, the poor guy on the bike is killed instantly. (Newly Married)

There punishment: $500 fine and banned from driving for 1 to 2 years. They walk out of court free, They each took a Life!

A guy down South, on a motorbike decides on a perfectly straight clear piece of road at 5 in the morning to open the Throttle and give his bike a Squirt, he does something like 160 or 180 in a 100 zone. He is arrested, He is banned for 3 or 4 years, and put in Jail for a period of time (sorry, can't remember how long exactly)

Now tell me, how in any way shape or form can you respect the legal system when Stupid decisions like this are handed out every day?
These 2 people took a life, and they both walked away with no Consequences, this young guy on the motorbike got put in jail for being a bit stupid, but he hurt no one, The risk was there and he was stupid for doing it.
But in the end no one got hurt, I'm not saying he should not get in trouble for doing a stupid speed on a public road, but Jail time?!?!?

That's why I get so angry about the Road system and the politicians in this country, every thing is so skewed towards speed, at the detriment to every thing else. It's make the beast with two backsed 

[dragonworld.]

An acquaintance of mine works with anti discrimination law and he has said that in his opinion, that shit that Governments, public officials an indeed the law etc dish out to us would definitely qualify as "discrimination" but..............

because we are not:

!. Gay (I''l' refrain from comment  )

2. Of an Ethnic or religious minority.

3. Female (Motorcyclists as a group!)

4. Koori or Torres Strait Islander.

We are basically NOT covered by the Anti Discrimination Law.

And of course, as our Brothers and Sisters from the U.S. of A. , we have no Bill of Rights either. 


Aaaah, what a Democracy?? 

[feral]

my friend gets her blacks back in 2027 , all she did was loose her 12 points she lives woop woop has horse's so cant move drove to work got done drove 2 more got done then a copper off duty seen her car on the road came to her house next day to arrest her court thru it out RTA gave her extra 5 years this all happned in a 4 week period , she wasnt speeding, wasnt drunk just drove when they said she could not how the make the beast with two backs is that hurting annyone , her honda fireblade now sits on her front doorstep she now knows she cant drive or ride or she will go to jail , Fu(k all coppers with a iron pole !!!!!!!!


bsbd  feral

[heatherp]

Geez and I thought I had bad karma when it came to getting caught! Just proves there's always someone worse off.  Very harsh punishment considering what a lot of drunks get away with. Did your friend give that off duty cop a knock back in the past?

[bazz20]

my friend gets her blacks back in 2027 , all she did was loose her 12 points she lives woop woop has horse's so cant move drove to work got done drove 2 more got done then a copper off duty seen her car on the road came to her house next day to arrest her court thru it out RTA gave her extra 5 years this all happned in a 4 week period , she wasnt speeding, wasnt drunk just drove when they said she could not how the make the beast with two backs is that hurting annyone , her honda fireblade now sits on her front doorstep she now knows she cant drive or ride or she will go to jail , Fu(k all coppers with a iron pole !!!!!!!!


bsbd  feral

did you have a bad day feral cause the world would  be be a lot worse without  i feel for your friend but she should not of driven if you dont like the system complain too the people that make them not the people that have to enfoce them ive worked with a lot  in marine rescue and ses and even they disagree with the law at times  but they dont deserve that treatment and hope the few that post on here dont think that is the senterment on here