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« Reply #30 on: October 19, 2009, 06:46:08 AM »

Look how many people would be out of jobs if cancer was cured?


Hard to say. My guess is not too many, as there are plenty of other diseases they could shift their focus to.

I just don't buy it...it's the ultimate conspiracy theory.
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« Reply #31 on: October 19, 2009, 06:47:32 AM »

There is a diehard Komen person in my office.

If you don't donate.........she gets pissed at you.


Still haven't given her a dime.
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« Reply #32 on: October 19, 2009, 06:59:21 AM »

There is a diehard Komen person in my office.

If you don't donate.........she gets pissed at you.

That's lame. I wouldn't donate to her either.
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« Reply #33 on: October 19, 2009, 07:06:32 AM »

I get hit up for donations all the time.  I tell them that I gave at the office.  






I work for the American Cancer Society.

We are pretty proud of our numbers.  We just wrapped up FY09 so I only have FY08 #'s   http://www.cancer.org/downloads/AA/ACS_Combined_Financials_FY2008.pdf
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« Reply #34 on: October 19, 2009, 07:55:06 AM »

A bit more information, from Charity Navigator:

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=4509

They're generally a good guide to non-profits (and I say this having worked for one a few years back that got savaged in their ratings...)

I'm going to disagree with you, Cyrus, but not with your general uneasiness with whole the pink tsunami.

I've donated minor amounts of money to SGKF through friends who've done the walks -- after looking at their financials at Charity Navigator and elsewhere -- both because I think the money is going to do what the organization says it's doing, and because the events themselves really do help a lot of breast cancer survivors and their families by giving them something constructive to do about the disease other than sitting in a hospital getting treatment -- or sitting with someone who is.

As for their overhead numbers, I don't really imagine anyone really would want a $300 million organization run entirely by volunteers (unless, maybe, you were the organization's "volunteer" accountant ...). It'd be a recipe for disaster, mismanagement and grotesque inefficiency a whole lot worse than paying professional people to do a professional job.

But I do share the unease that you and a lot of others have mentioned with the whole merchandised side of the campaign. I don't intentionally pick out the SGKF-branded merchandise in the grocery store (which feels to me more about selling corn flakes than curing breast cancer), but I can't say I intentionally avoid it either. Some of it is just nuts though -- the plastic pink ribbon air freshener I saw in the store yesterday? It would be interesting -- actually, make that depressing -- to do a cross tabulation between environmental factors & chemical substances that are currently the subjects of active research on breast cancer risk and the materials in a lot of the plastic gee-gaws and other products that currently bear a pink ribbon.

And by way of disclosure, my sister had her second run in with breast cancer in a decade last year, this time leading to a double mastectomy and lots of chemo that seems to have done what it was supposed to. Tomorrow, she goes back into the hospital for another round of reconstructive surgery after two failed attempts that led to life-threatening infections and more hospital stays -- though this time around, she's in a lot better physical health for the procedure.

My family has talked to her about it, and she doesn't feel the need to do the breast cancer walks or wear pink the way some do. But if she did, I can guarantee you we'd be out there hoofing it, wearing pink, and proudly dangling that stupid plastic pink air freshener from the rear view mirror.

And as an aside, do some of you actually, seriously think that researchers are intentionally & deliberately avoiding finding cures for various cancers??? Even if you are that cynical (and if you are, my condolences) the fact remains that finding cures is the kind of payday that individual researchers, doctors and pharmaceutical companies go to bed every night dreaming about. I was reading the other day about a $100 million donation to the Oregon Health Sciences University's cancer research center that was some serious money -- and much of it was going to the research unit whose top doc developed Gleevec, a drug that treats just one single form of leukemia (doesn't cure it, but I'd say taking a disease that was 95% fatal within a year or two and making it long-term treatable without major side effects is a win by any measure). $100 mil is a lot of money, until you realize that Gleevec ALONE makes $3.1 BILLION a year for Novartis, and they seem to think this guy & Oregon Health Sciences have a few more drugs like it in the works. Yeah, let's string along that research indefinitely, because there's no money in a cure...  Roll Eyes


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« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2009, 08:48:26 AM »

the only thing i want to say on this is a comment from my g/f

"Think of all the money they spent for all this pink shit. Why don't they donate that money instead of wasting it on cleats and gloves for football players?"
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« Reply #36 on: October 19, 2009, 08:58:48 AM »

I always thought the pink stuff was donated by the company sporting it. Like pink cosmetics that give a part of the proceeds to the cause, I thought the actual cosmetics company produced special pink items and donated money, is that not the case?
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« Reply #37 on: October 19, 2009, 09:08:46 AM »

There will never be a cure for cancer. It is too profitable NOT to cure it.

No, there will never be a single cure for cancer because it is not a single disease.

It is a large group of very complex diseases that typically have both genetic and environmental contributions.

Finding a cure to one particular form will not obviate the need for oncology research.

Look how many people would be out of jobs if cancer was cured?


I had this conversation with Uncle who just survived a bout with Leukemia.


He thinks there is no reason to find a cure when scientists and these organizations keep generating revenue.

I know a lot of people doing cancer research, and every single one would be thrilled if a cure for any form of cancer were found.  We were all very excited when Gleevec came out, even though that just targets a very small percentage of cancers.

I used to do oncology research (at privately funded companies), I was working on lung cancer at one of them.  At the same time, one of the founders of the company and a friend of mine was dying of metastatic lung cancer.  He was 50, never smoked.  It tore me apart to see him go and not be able to do anything about it. Cry

While I agree that some charities are better than others (and I'm very selective about where my donations go), saying that researchers are just in it for profit is disrespectful and offensive IMO.
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« Reply #38 on: October 19, 2009, 09:41:07 AM »

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« Reply #39 on: October 19, 2009, 10:01:35 AM »

While I agree that some charities are better than others (and I'm very selective about where my donations go), saying that researchers are just in it for profit is disrespectful and offensive IMO.

The researchers aren't in it for profits; they are probably not paid all that well.


These Susan G Komen groups are in it for the money.

I think that's why they only donate 25% of their $$$ to research.

Limit research funding = less chance of finding a cure.
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« Reply #40 on: October 19, 2009, 10:27:47 AM »

How about Skin Cancer Awareness Month? (number one cancer killer)

I think you meat that skin cancer was the most common, not the most deadly:

Melanoma in the United States – 2009 Estimates
New Cases     68,720
Deaths Per Year    8,650
5-Year Localized Survival Rate*    99%
5-Year Overall Survival Rate*    91%


Compared to pancreatic cancer
Pancreatic cancer is the fourth leading cause of cancer death for both men and women.
    * Pancreatic cancer is one of the most deadly of all types of cancer.
    * This year 32,000 Americans will be diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and about 32,000 will die from it.
    * Despite the high mortality rate, the federal government spends woefully little money on pancreatic cancer research.
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« Reply #41 on: October 19, 2009, 10:54:00 AM »

I think you meat that skin cancer was the most common, not the most deadly:

Melanoma in the United States – 2009 Estimates
New Cases     68,720
Deaths Per Year    8,650
5-Year Localized Survival Rate*    99%
5-Year Overall Survival Rate*    91%


Compared to pancreatic cancer
Pancreatic cancer is the fourth leading cause of cancer death for both men and women.
    * Pancreatic cancer is one of the most deadly of all types of cancer.
    * This year 32,000 Americans will be diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and about 32,000 will die from it.
    * Despite the high mortality rate, the federal government spends woefully little money on pancreatic cancer research.


Sorry about that, yeah, you are correct.

The most common, not the deadliest.


I think number 2 is prostate cancer
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« Reply #42 on: October 19, 2009, 10:55:05 AM »

the number one disease that kills women is Heart Disease.

little overlooked fact.
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« Reply #43 on: October 19, 2009, 11:57:09 AM »

True that.  It is interesting (OK, and probably pretty morbid) to see mortality rates for different diseases
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_causes_of_death_by_rate

Malaria and TB are still killing more women worldwide, compared to breast cancer.

Not sure if this link works, but heart disease is the leading cause of death for women after 65 - up until then, it is cancer.  So heart disease kills an awful lot of older women - up until the age of 65, cancer kills about twice as many women as heart disease.

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« Reply #44 on: October 19, 2009, 12:40:36 PM »

I think that's why they only donate 25% of their $$$ to research.

But they do spend money on patient services and education.

Is that not important?
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