Feedback wanted on Rebuild Concept

[Raux]

1098 fairing might work if the tank weren't so curvy, but that can't be helped.  maybe find a way to get the fairing less pointy?

not a fan of the all red frame, but that's prolly just me.

like the pipes  

i may end up designing a new tank skin with a friend who does CF work.
the all red frame  was one of the main things i wanted to do on this. really really not a fan of the half color frames.

[Langanobob]

the case is magnesium.

Doh...I thought it was some sort of paint. 

[teddy037.2]

i may end up designing a new tank skin with a friend who does CF work.
the all red frame  was one of the main things i wanted to do on this. really really not a fan of the half color frames.

sweet.

i'm not a fan, either, but that big block of red just doesn't do it for me

[Triple J]

Another fairing option may be to ditch the 848/1098 fairing and its angular design, and get a Sharkskinz street upper fairing for the 1000SS, then trim it as needed. The curved design may mesh with the Monster tank better (IMO), and building custom mounts will probably be needed anyway, so no more work there. You could probably source an old SS headlight from ebay for a reasonable price.

Anyway, just a thought. 

[Langanobob]

guess i'll have to defend the fairing a bit. I was very fond of the Supersports so when Ducati killed off the line... well you see where i'm going.

No need to defend it.  No accounting for some of our individual preferences    And, as we all know, bikes look a lot different in real three-dimensional life than they do on a computer screen. 

[z0mb1e_DUC]

As a start, I really like where you're going.  The whole CR look is great.  You have to have a concept, & as such, that is as good as any. 

Was always fond of the SS/CR series.

[Raux]

right now the pointy lower back end of the SBK fairing is kinda overpowering. it will be curved later once i know where i am going to connect it. the other thought was to add the side fairing and cut them about halfway.. but i really didnt want to cover up anything. i even got rid of the underframe fairing to show more motor.

as far as concept to reality. parts are here for the front. so i'm going to try and make it work, not going to switch to a different series front end at this time.

i wanted to update the old SS/CR style with a more modern headlight and the SBK was a great start. i had looked at the 916 and 999 but IMO the 1098 is very modern and aggressive. the sharp angles work very well in 3-D space. it's hard to tell here because you really can't see how angular the 696 tank is from this sideshot. i also didn't put it in but i'll be probably going with a much taller and different shaped windscreen to take away a bit of the arrowhead look of the front. i'm looking at two, one is 40mm taller and the other is 60mm.

one other thing i wanted to try, and i mentioned it earlier, is to bring the fairing and lights in tight and connect them to the fork, thaen i would eliminate the lower part and they fairing would turn with the forks. two concerns with that. upper fairing mounts are on the frame that pushes the lights out, and the weight. the lights are pretty heavy compared to the monster's and being in front of the fork it could act as a pendulum weight.

[teddy037.2]

right now the pointy lower back end of the SBK fairing is kinda overpowering. it will be curved later once i know where i am going to connect it.

totally on the same page!



I don't think you need a partially chopped side fairing. cleanin up the upper bit would look shiny... well, maybe if it angles up to meet that lower curvature of the tank (by the frame), to keep the lines right

[RB]

I really like the color choice. the Grey and red S4Rt is my all time favorite set-up, well besides my flat Tang of course.
The Red frame, i know you are doing a big build with little detail left out, so i will just suggest that you change the sub-frame to a trellis design rather then the cast. If it is a cost issue, try changing the cast sub-frame to black to enhance the red trellis. i am not a fan of the broken up frame concept either.
If you are going for the supersport CR look, the 999 fairing has a different profile and may help blend better.  I would also like to see the bike with a belly pan if you are going with a CR type fairing. The belly pan should integrate the fairing concept a little better. I have no photochop skillz, as you can see from some of my previous posts, so i can't help mock it up for you.

Nice idea, looks like you have a good direction.

Good luck,
RB

[RetroSBK]

I would like to add to my earlier post and say that I would work hard at making that big cast lump of a swingarm smaller...

You can apply the same thing to the rearsection of the frame... Sand off the cheap cast finish, and use a high gloss finish on the swingarm in black or grey to help make it look smaller. If you redid the shock, and anodised it black, and used a Titanium spring, it would make it look even smaller still.

I think a SBK fender would give it more angularity in te front to match the faring, and would help tie it together.

The wheels really need to be a bit more angular as well... the sweeping rounded spoked dont really work with the sharp lines of the bike stock, even less so when you add the fairing.

Take lots of pics! Keep us updated!

[Raux]

i will be sanding down the sand castings for a smooth finish and will be powdercoating (or painting) the swingarm and shock black. the  rear frame will be matched to the front frame.

the wheels will be changed when i decide which to get. but they will be marchesini 5-spoke, carrozzeria or OZ 5-spoke.

i think someone is working on a rear frame so if that ever happens i will check on that. the hard part of the rear frame for me is needing a good welder. i may have found one. i'm going to his shop tomorrow.

[stopintime]

This post should make a few people proud of their photoshop skills 

Raux, I'm very enthusiastic about the heavy modding going on

Allow me to (hopelessly) visualize my views

- trimming the fairing. Lift it a bit. Maybe also add some red around the glass and lights.
- move it closer, if you can.
- Filling out some parts of the swingarm.
- play around with which parts of the rear frame to paint red....

[jwoconnor]

make the fairing a bit bigger like a SuperHawk, and pull it back a little.

[Raux]

adding more fairing covers more frame, don't want to do that. it's still a monster.

i like the idea of taking that much lower fairing off. once i start test fitting i'll have a better idea how much to remove.

i had looked at 'blacking' out the insets of the rear subframe to make it appear thinner. starting looking fake. the bike is supposed to appear more raw, more natural. it would be like putting air intakes on the hood of a car that are blocked off...

also had thought about the swingarm cutouts. Mark at Motocreations nixed that idea based on structural studies.

i'll probably be adding some red lettering or stripes to the fairing to tie it in more. just haven't made a final decision.
the tank skins are the 80's skins from DP, but the red is not really red, more an orange red. so the frame and the stripes won't match right now. that's why the red lettering at this point.

[Scottish]

I think I liked the fairing the way you originally had it. The way it was sat matched with the angles of the tank, cool modern SS half fairing.