considering moving to SF

[Spidey]

NFA weapons are illegal in Kalifornistan...  

Uh . . .  are you a MOB member?

Because traffic is wretched and they're both scary. Just frustrating and takes time and dangerous. If you can ride the moto and use the HOV bypass it's not so bad

+1.  Yeah, if you're planning a commute with a car rather than BARTing, living in Walnut Creek would be a serious pregnant dog.  It's better on a moto cuz you can lanesplit and use the HOV lane, but it takes some serious cajones to ride the Bay Bridge during rush hour, to say nothing of doing it when it's rainy and windy (you'll want a 'stich).  For a car commute from the East Bay, look for something close to the Bay Bridge like Alameda or Berkeley or Oakland.   Also, figure in commute costs.  My assistant commutes on BART from Antioch (Pittsburgh) and it's $12 day or $250/month.   Ouch.  Makes my Muni Fast Pass is look pretty good.  Is leaving a car at work during the week and BARTing in most days an option?  

If you're not in SF, living on the Penninsula (south) is a better bet for a car commute, particularly if you're working near Candlestick.  You'd miss most of the traffic back-up because you'd exit before you reach the northern part the City.  And you don't have to deal with the metering lights and toll plaza of a bridge.  I think Ms. Incredible mentioned Foster City as having a lot of dog friendly places.  You'd find lots of houses down there and some nice places to live.  

Also Marin/North Bay starts lookin' further away if you're near Candlestick.  Your commute would require you to go through the whole City.  It's all surface street and can take a while.  

[Desmostro]

BikerGoddess and I took a sunset walk up to Bernal Heights Park yesterday...there must have been 200 dogs...running up & down the hill, chasing tennis balls, chasing the soapbox derby racers using the path in the park. Suffice it to say that this is a dog-friendly city In fact, I think dogs outnumber children here.

That is actually a fact. Dogs outnumber children in San Francisco. And that looks to exaggerate further in the near future.

There are hotels for pets here. & "Pet Day spa's" if you will. No make the beast with two backsing kidding.
http://www.waghotels.com/inside_look.cfm

[desmoquattro]

That is actually a fact. Dogs outnumber children in San Francisco. And that looks to exaggerate further in the near future.

There are hotels for pets here. & "Pet Day spa's" if you will. No make the beast with two backsing kidding.
http://www.waghotels.com/inside_look.cfm

Wag Hotel is three blocks from the homestead...they charge like $90 per night to board your dog. I think it costs extra if you want to watch them on a webcam. I don't think people spend that much on their children...

[MendoDave]

Or you could just not work in the city and live up here in the North countys like me and do whatever you want. Yard? Who needs a yard. just let the dogs out to run all over the country side and bark at shadows in the night.  

Plus rent are way lower.
http://mendocino.craigslist.org/apa/1446756132.html

http://mendocino.craigslist.org/apa/1444124352.html

http://mendocino.craigslist.org/apa/1430014191.html

http://mendocino.craigslist.org/apa/1426166305.html

Plus the roads up here are the best. Sorry north bay but it's true. (Having lived in Corte Madera and working in Oakland and the city I get to say this) The down side is that the dealership is hours away, but you can always mail order stuff.

[desmoquattro]

Or you could just not work in the city and live up here in the North countys like me and do whatever you want. Yard? Who needs a yard. just let the dogs out to run all over the country side and bark at shadows in the night.  

Plus rent are way lower.
http://mendocino.craigslist.org/apa/1446756132.html

http://mendocino.craigslist.org/apa/1444124352.html

http://mendocino.craigslist.org/apa/1430014191.html

http://mendocino.craigslist.org/apa/1426166305.html

Plus the roads up here are the best. Sorry north bay but it's true. (Having lived in Corte Madera and working in Oakland and the city I get to say this) The down side is that the dealership is hours away, but you can always mail order stuff.

He already said he didn't like hippies. That pretty much rules out Mendocino County.

[hihhs]

Wag Hotel is three blocks from the homestead...they charge like $90 per night to board your dog. I think it costs extra if you want to watch them on a webcam. I don't think people spend that much on their children...

My last vacation, we paid a girl $80 a day to dog sit for us IN MY HOUSE!

[desmoquattro]

My last vacation, we paid a girl $80 a day to dog sit for us IN MY HOUSE!

Friends & family are great for that. We do the same thing for vacations. But there are professional cat/dog sitters as well.

[Michael Moore]

He already said he didn't like hippies. That pretty much rules out Mendocino County.

Ya, but you can supplement the income with a little agricultural side bidness. hihhs is from HI, so he knows what I'm talking about... 

[desmoquattro]

Ya, but you can supplement the income with a little agricultural side bidness. hihhs is from HI, so he knows what I'm talking about... 

...and where are all the dispensaries selling said product? Across from Zeitgeist. Next to the pizza joint.

[hihhs]

Ya, but you can supplement the income with a little agricultural side bidness. hihhs is from HI, so he knows what I'm talking about... 

I may need to supplement my income. Leave it to me to move from terribly expensive Hawaii to terribly expensive San Francisco. 

[hihhs]

So it seems like, not surprisingly, people in SF are very opinionated about where to live.

I really appreciate everyones responses.

And it seems there are a lot more options than I originally thought. Which is good news.

Except, I am now completely perplexed.

[MendoDave]

Ya, but you can supplement the income with a little agricultural side bidness. hihhs is from HI, so he knows what I'm talking about... 

As soon as he does that this bill will pass and the bottom will fall out of the market.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/story/1306052.html

[TCK!]

Don't let all these West/North Bay nose in the sky types (j/k) lead you away from the Beast (pig latin; East bay = Beast). We have killer roads here too, it just depends on how much commute you can handle and at what time do you plan on doing it.

If I worked in SF I'd go BART but I live in the EB (San Leandro) and work deeper in the east bay (about 52 miles 1 way). Some of the communities are still RE-developing here and getting in on the ground floor can drastically reduce the cost for a decent place. Lots of these areas are being developed by the same companies that turned the SOMA around.

As someone said before, living in the Creek and commuting by vehicle would be a pregnant dog, the tunnel is packed EVERYDAY, count on hours of waiting. So if you did decide on the East Bay I'd suggest west of the oakland hills.

[victor441]

Plus the roads up here are the best. Sorry north bay but it's true. (Having lived in Corte Madera and working in Oakland and the city I get to say this) The down side is that the dealership is hours away, but you can always mail order stuff.

agree on the roads, am a S.F. native but lived in Mendo. Co for 10 years and am now in Sonoma Co.....anyway, don't know if you are aware, but the former Moto Meccanica in Santa Rosa has reopened as a used MC shop but still has some Ducati parts and still services them

[Spidey]

Except, I am now completely perplexed.

Don't be.  Everyone is saying the same thing (just with a lot of words).    If you're going to car commute as opposed to a BART commute and don't want to spend your entire life in traffic, North Bay is ok only if you're close to the Golden Gate (Mill Valley, etc.).  East Bay is ok if you're close to the Bay Bridge (Berkeley, Oakland, Alameda).  SF is ok (check my list for areas).  Penninsula is ok.  All of them have pretty immediate access (less than 20 mins) to insanely good twisties.

And if you don't mind an LA-style commute, you can live wherever you want.  

and, they sell killer 8ths 

I didn't know they sell in in quantities that small up in growin' country.