1000cc in 2012

[duccarlos]

Agreed, but getting rid of the factory bikes?!

[Raux]

to me there are several rules that are killing GP.
1) limited testing. this doesn't give the chance for teams to catch up like they could if they could test more.... fixed
2) bore rule. this makes every team basically build a similar motor... not fixed
3) tires. one manufacturer doesn't give the ability of a team to pick the best tire for their bike to make it more competetive... not fixed

[zarn02]

Agreed, but getting rid of the factory bikes?!

Seems like the sort of thing you'd do if you knew there was a huge problem, and were desperately trying to assign blame.

2) bore rule. this makes every team basically build a similar motor... not fixed
3) tires. one manufacturer doesn't give the ability of a team to pick the best tire for their bike to make it more competetive... not fixed

Agreed. I think if GP is to be a "prototype class" then there must be fewer limitations (such as those).

[thought]

to me there are several rules that are killing GP.
1) limited testing. this doesn't give the chance for teams to catch up like they could if they could test more.... fixed
2) bore rule. this makes every team basically build a similar motor... not fixed
3) tires. one manufacturer doesn't give the ability of a team to pick the best tire for their bike to make it more competetive... not fixed

i concur, especially about the tires.  what i've always wondered is if the cf frameless chassis would work if it had tires designed for it... by fixing the tires, you just force all the teams to build around the tires instead of building everything around the bike concept.

[gm2]

i think everyone, including carmelo, would like to see a totally or nearly totally open championship.  but the reality is that is not fiscally possible.

they absolutely all do built their bikes around the bridgestones now.  and while that takes some of the blue out of blue sky design, it arguably levels the playing field a bit also.  is it a racing competition or a tire competition?, etc.

Any while i know most of their actions are because their corporate purse strings are getting shorter and shorter, the MSMA is arguably ruining the show.  between 2.5 and 4.5 million euro to lease a satellite factory machine next year?  get the make the beast with two backs outta here.

[derby]

can I edit your post for spelling?

that's what i get for pre-coffee posting. 

[gm2]

carmelo gets a lot more vocal:  http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96261

[Speeddog]

He sounds pissed.

I wonder if the "no $ for satellites" is effective immediately or for '13?

[Triple J]

Dorna has been pushing the new Claiming Rule Teams system, which will allow elements of modified production machinery, although riders like world champion Casey Stoner had threatened to walk out if the rules are steered towards production-based bikes.

Right. Where are these riders going to go that's so much better...a series that's completely based on production-based bikes? It would either be that or home.

[The Don]

Id say that the Dorna cash cow is empty or near empty and he need more sponsors on board.
I really don't see a problem with having one tyre supplier, it stops the likes of Rossi having a special tyre flown in for the race as has happened in the past. So what if the bike is built around the tyre at least that is one constant.

[gm2]

He sounds pissed.

the MSMA, and honda in particular, were the ones who really pressed for 800s in the first place.  with what a raging success that was, no doubt he's fed up.

[zooom]

and somehow the AMA/DMG rule structure based on Daytona incidents comes into play into MotoGP

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Nov/111117fim.htm

2.7.3.5
Motorcycles must be equipped with brake lever protection, intended to protect the handlebar
brake lever(s) from being accidentally activated in case of collision with another machine.
Acceptable protection includes the fairing extending sufficiently to cover the brake lever, as
viewed from the front.

Such devices must be strong enough to function effectively and designed so that there is no risk
for the rider to be injured or trapped by it, and it must not be considered a dangerous fitting (at
the sole discretion of the Technical Director).

In case the brake lever protection is attached to any part of the braking system (eg. brake master
cylinder), then the brake system manufacturer must officially confirm in writing to the Technical
Director that the device does not interfere with the proper brake operation.

[derby]

2.5.1
The following are the revised minimum weights permitted:

- Moto3: motorcycle & rider 148kg

[gm2]

and somehow the AMA/DMG rule structure based on Daytona incidents comes into play into MotoGP

based on, is you kidding?  i'm pretty sure the FIM doesn't refer to the AMA for anything. 

there have been plenty of horrific examples in motogp of why this is a good idea.

[Speeddog]

~~~SNIP~~~

Such devices must be strong enough to function effectively and designed so that there is no risk
for the rider to be injured or trapped by it, and it must not be considered a dangerous fitting (at
the sole discretion of the Technical Director).

~~~SNIP~~~

That's the most tragically lame wording for a rule I've seen in quite a while.

Shameful.