Duplicolor Mirage Paint

Started by LowThudd, December 13, 2009, 12:32:02 AM

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scott_araujo

You can fix the orange peel with some patient sanding and rub out of both the color and clear coat layers.  I think someone on TOB did a nice entry on a home paint job with 2K clear.  It was beautiful, black with gold pinstripe.  The 2K clear allows us home craftsman to make a gasoline proof paint job.  Nice :)  I keep thinking about doing this myself but I want to ride in the summer and the garage ain't heated in the winter :(  We'll see.

Scott

LowThudd

I think I'll test it out on the front fender. It only cost me $12.50 on Ebay, plus $20 for the paint. If it's not right so what. I didn't hurt anythink and I'll spray it black or flame it. Couldn't get any uglier than it is now.



Anybody know of a good, inexpensive high build primer? I looked at SEM, but I don't want to spend too much for an experiment.

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Quote from: LowThudd on December 15, 2009, 02:19:15 PM
I think I'll test it out on the front fender. It only cost me $12.50 on Ebay, plus $20 for the paint. If it's not right so what. I didn't hurt anythink and I'll spray it black or flame it. Couldn't get any uglier than it is now.


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ducpainter

Quote from: LowThudd on December 15, 2009, 02:41:34 PM
Yup. Three color rattle can. Any advice on primer?
nope.

I haven't used rattle cans for 40 years.

In general though 2K primers will be better than solvent evap primers.

Think about it...
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 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
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    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
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LowThudd

Quote from: ducpainter on December 15, 2009, 03:01:37 PM
nope.

I haven't used rattle cans for 40 years.

In general though 2K primers will be better than solvent evap primers.

Think about it...

I have some professional(but very old) movie lights. They get quite hot. Would they be good for accelorating drying time?

ducpainter

Quote from: LowThudd on December 15, 2009, 06:03:03 PM
I have some professional(but very old) movie lights. They get quite hot. Would they be good for accelorating drying time?
Here's the deal...

1K products 'never' stop shrinking.

If you aren't concerned with the long term use a solvent dry primer...

otherwise use a 2K urethane or epoxy. urethane will fill better.

Just sayin'
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 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
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    is even more amazing than yours."
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    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
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LowThudd

Quote from: ducpainter on December 15, 2009, 06:08:17 PM
Here's the deal...

1K products 'never' stop shrinking.

If you aren't concerned with the long term use a solvent dry primer...

otherwise use a 2K urethane or epoxy. urethane will fill better.

Just sayin'

I'm taking your advice on the 2k. If I don't like the mirage I'll still need a good primer to paint over. I'm going with the spray max 2k that I gave a link to earlier. My only concern is the temp. I don't have a heated garage and I thought the lights might help. They put out quite alot of heat. The epoxy takes too long to dry, but is that my best bet?


ducpainter

Quote from: LowThudd on December 15, 2009, 06:38:50 PM
I'm taking your advice on the 2k. If I don't like the mirage I'll still need a good primer to paint over. I'm going with the spray max 2k that I gave a link to earlier. My only concern is the temp. I don't have a heated garage and I thought the lights might help. They put out quite alot of heat. The epoxy takes too long to dry, but is that my best bet?


Heat lamps will definitely help.

get the part warm before spraying and try to keep it warm...it's a balance.

Epoxies aren't usually meant to do anything except provide a durable coating.

They have the advantage of excellent adhesion to most anything.

Urethanes cure quicker and fill and sand easier.

What are you trying to do with the primer?
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 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
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LowThudd

Quote from: ducpainter on December 15, 2009, 06:45:45 PM
Heat lamps will definitely help.

get the part warm before spraying and try to keep it warm...it's a balance.

Epoxies aren't usually meant to do anything except provide a durable coating.

They have the advantage of excellent adhesion to most anything.

Urethanes cure quicker and fill and sand easier.

What are you trying to do with the primer?

I'm working on the front fender and under seat cowl. I'll save the tank for last if I have enough priner(prob not). Mabey the rapid primer filler will be good enough, but I have a feeling that old plastic is going to be pretty uneven.

akmnstr

When I paint plastic parts with Urethanes I use a more flexible and adhesive formulation.  Might that be a problem painting plastic with rattle cans.  You won't be able to alter the formula since the paint is pre-mixed.  And what about painting a plastic part that has already been painted.  Can it be striped?  If not, might there be later problems with with paint coming off later?  A problem that I once had was incompatibility between the plastic and the urethane I was trying to use.  The paint would bead up and made an awful mess.  These questions are mostly for Ducpainter.
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scott_araujo

What about a black base coat and then flames in Mirage?  Too weird?  Too much?

Scott

LowThudd

Quote from: scott_araujo on December 16, 2009, 12:31:26 PM
What about a black base coat and then flames in Mirage?  Too weird?  Too much?

Scott

I've seen a bike with just that. Looks pretty cool. I am still not sure what I'm about to do. Still weighing options. True Fire over the mirage would be more unique.

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