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« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2008, 06:50:31 AM »

Well, when I hear "safety check" I picture making sure the lights and horn work, and that there aren't any obvious loose bolts or wires, or excessive tire wear. I wouldn't assume that included replacement of fluids. So maybe they didn't understand what you wanted.
re-read, i did NOT expect everything topped off like some 50's gas station, but if you think that letting a bike out of a shop with zero oil visible in the port and at half the capacity is OK - i'd like to find out who your regular mechanic is so i can avoid them.
i *was* expecting that a "safety check" meant they'd tell me if i needed anything.  Oil is so make the beast with two backsing basic, right?  if they didn't look at that they looked at nothing else. 

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Somewhat off topic, that bypass of the sidestand kill switch? Not a good idea, in my opinion. My Monster came without one, and I've dumped it once, and almost dumped it a second time, because I forgot to put the sidestand up before riding. *smacks self on head*
sorry to hear you couldn't get the hang of the kill switch bypass.  i've only ridden bikes that HAD them, so this is a reversal for me and it's part of my programming to ride with it; breaking lifetime patterns is tough, so i'll stick with the system i'm comfortable with.

and this is me "sleeping on it" and not going with that first emotional reaction.  i knew it was a good idea.
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« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2008, 09:05:39 AM »

sorry to hear you couldn't get the hang of the kill switch bypass. 

I doubt if skill, or lack of it, had anything to do with Ro-monster's advice.  I'm sure she is well capable of mastering anything she puts her mind to.  I think her intent was to simply alert you of a safety issue.
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« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2008, 12:47:32 PM »

At least one certified Ducati tech is kicking around, along with a number of other idiots who build bikes from scratch.

Duckwrench13 is a Ducati mechanic who is always happy to offer help and advice to the crowd here. PM him with your story.
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« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2008, 06:21:31 PM »

Somewhat off topic, that bypass of the sidestand kill switch? Not a good idea, in my opinion. My Monster came without one, and I've dumped it once, and almost dumped it a second time, because I forgot to put the sidestand up before riding. *smacks self on head*

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If the bike's been sitting for 18 months, it would be a good idea also to have the brake fluid (and clutch fluid, if you've got it) replaced with fresh fluid. It does break down with time.

I've dropped my bike 3 times.  The first was my neighbor knocking it over as I was walking in my door.  The second was a sidestand bypass issue, but not quite, although if I had a kill switch, it would have saved me this this time.  I was starting my Monster while off the bike.  It was, of course, in first.  It might not have gone over, but at that time I had a suicide sidestand.  I DOVE under my bike and suffered a bruise or two, which healed quickly.  My bike suffered zero damage.  The third drop was a parking lot drop at a standstill.  D'OH!  Forgetting to do something happens to all of us.  For some, it's forgetting to break that stare at an object that is coming closer and closer (target fixation) and it causes a major crash.  For others, it's minor stupidity that causes minor grief for now, but major laughs later.  I don't think that anyone would call taking off with a sidestand down lacking in the mastery of a skill. 

The second part of this is very good advice.  Clutch fluid and brake fluid are the same thing and need to be bled periodically.  Brake fluid is hygroscopic, which means it absorbs water very quickly from the atmosphere.  Brake fluid has low compressibility (very good for hydraulic applications, like brakes and clutches) and a very high boiling point.  When water is introduced, it increases its compressibility and lowers the boiling point.  Your brakes will feel increasingly "spongy" and if you do tons and tons of hard braking (like at the track), you'll actually end up losing all braking ability entirely.  Ideally, clutches and brakes would be closed systems, but we all know there is no such thing.  There will be a certain amount of leakage and over time the fluid will become less and less effective.

If there are basic points you want covered in a service, you really need to delineate them.  I have found out the hard way that one person's interpretation is often different from mine.  So rather than get mad at a shop for goobering something, I chalk it up to my own inexperience and inattention to detail. 

My only experience in this area is that I brought in my bike and said "make it run".  I had already replaced the starter solenoid and was frustrated to hell.  It turned out I also had a bad battery at this point.  I didn't know this.  I was brand new to working on bikes.  So not knowing what the issue was, they had me sign a $250 labor estimate just to be able to run some basic diagnostics.  So the first place they checked was the battery, which couldn't tolerate a load.  So one new battery later, and the bike was fine.  So when I picked up my bike, I was wondering what kind of battery installation costs $250.  Well, they winterized my bike for me.  HUH?  Huh?  I had signed that estimate, so they were going to use the money.  IT WAS THE END OF SEPFORKINGTEMBER.  Yes, it was shady, but it was my own damned fault for letting them take advantage of me.  I was the one who signed.  Nobody was holding a gun to my head.

Now I do almost all my own work.  If something is over my head (has only happened once since that debacle) I have one mechanic I trust.  I ask to inspect the old parts and ask that oral authorization be obtained for every expense.  I do this mostly just so I learn everything I can, but it's also just a good practice in general. 
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« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2008, 06:57:26 PM »

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« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2008, 11:10:02 PM »

Ducatista, you did nothing wrong, you signed an estimate for them to get your bike running, not dream up ways to spend your money.
IMO, your local Bureau of Automotive Repair would use the term 'illegal' instead of 'shady'.
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