WASP Powerup kit for 696/1100 released Details and pics inside!! *dyno charts!

[Veloce-Fino]

There are a few threads floating around about these kits So I figure I'd start a dedicated thread to track details and information about the kits.

Most information taken from this thread, rest through e-mail communications.

http://www.ducati.ms/forums/showthread.php?s=3efa404a37680647eb1013cf1dc7171b&t=88258

Pictures of the installed 696 kit have been posted. As of June 9th the ETA of the 696 kit is 2 weeks. So by July this kit will be available to the 696 owner and the 1100 kit shortly thereafter.

Price quoted to me through e-mail was AU$1350 which is roughly $1156 USD Complete with massive color instruction manual. The first prototype released too a little under 2 hours to install.

Not a bad price for a SICK and complete kit gaining a net 6 HP (YMMV)
That's roughly $192 per HP gained and based on my experience with making shit go fast that's a great price.

Here are all the photos cross posted from that other forum. (there are a few and they're big)

First photo is of the stock setup

WASPWORKS- VELOCITY STACKS

ECU,STARTER SOLINOID,BATTERY CASE ETC- MOUNTING BRACKET


ECU MOUNTED WITH POWERCOMMANDER 5 INSTALLED

Top View

View through Trellis


Below are the Dyno charts for the PUK installed on a M696 with Termi's Top is HP bottom is TQ
http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0BxalkMewj5HdNGJiZDY0OWItNmU5Ni00MzZlLThhNDMtN2NmMTgyOTMyM2Jh&hl=en


http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0BxalkMewj5HdY2M1ZjgwYzAtZWJiZS00NTY2LWJhMWEtMTM4YmIwYTNhYmM5&hl=en

[Amlethae]

Interesting... I look forward to the specs on the 1100.

There's this emissions sticker on my air box that I can't get off because of the frame... so I suppose this is a good option for getting rid of it 

[Veloce-Fino]

I can't wait to get my hands on one of these. Apparently the power increase is very noticeable and the intake growl is loud and angry. The way I see it, it's the same price as buying a DP ecu solo but you get WAY more for your $$

[Amlethae]

A) I want a copy of the installation instructions to on

B) Am I right in reading that the PC5 for it is programmed for the DP ECU + Termi slipons?  On the 1100 I guess they have to differentiate the termi slip & termi full.  But I've got the slip's so I want that  [moto]

[Veloce-Fino]

A) I want a copy of the installation instructions to on

B) Am I right in reading that the PC5 for it is programmed for the DP ECU + Termi slipons?  On the 1100 I guess they have to differentiate the termi slip & termi full.  But I've got the slip's so I want that  [moto]

Based on my communications with WASP the PCV can be tailored for a non DP ecu bike.

This is a excerpt from an e-mail sent to me.

"The kit is plug and play with absolutely no modifications required to your bike or any of the components removed.
The kit is supplied with all filters, filter socks, all stainless steel bolts, stainless steel brackets, cable ties, installation manual, and fully mapped Power Commander PC5."

*added dyno charts to top post

Based on those charts peak HP looks to be at 9k rpm. With the stock ECU capped at 8500rpm you would lose ~1hp by not having the DP ecu. Truthfully though with the stock ECU the whole HP curve could be different. Not being able to tune below 4k rpm with the PCV and possibly not having the precision with PCV that the DP ecu has the results could vary significantly. When I get my kit I will include a full write up and dyno charts.

[Amlethae]

Should have been clearer:  I've got the DP ECU with Carbon Termi Slip-ons.  But I think you answered my question anywho... so keep up the good updating!  Can't wait to hear more!

[Raux]

i wonder if they just sell the bracket for the computer.

I have my own idea for an intake.

and the other thing. I've been thinking. I think the pod filters will show more on the dyno, but not so much at speed.
reason..
1. the dyno is still air, taking advantage of the larger surface area of the pods.
2. moving at 100mph there is very little if any still air that the pods can have access to. it would be turbulent and moving past the pods.
3. the airbox is a proven concept for vehicles at speed, it produces an area of still or pressurized (ram air intakes) that allow the intakes to breath deeply from.

i'm not 100% sold on pods as you can see.

[badgalbetty]

interesting school of thought..........back in the day ( 1907, yes BGB is an old,old,old woman) .............. there were smooth bore intake manifolds. Then the thought changed to rough castings as intake manifolds and bellmouths were fitted onto carbs. The idea being that air tumbling into the carbs, mixed up with the fuel was then shot into the combustion chambers where the atomized fuel /air mixture covered the chamber completely and resulted in a cleaner quicker burn which produced more horsepower.
I am always open to learning new things.............. this was your history lesson for the day.
BGB

[BellissiMoto]

i wonder if they just sell the bracket for the computer.

I have my own idea for an intake.

and the other thing. I've been thinking. I think the pod filters will show more on the dyno, but not so much at speed.
reason..
1. the dyno is still air, taking advantage of the larger surface area of the pods.
2. moving at 100mph there is very little if any still air that the pods can have access to. it would be turbulent and moving past the pods.
3. the airbox is a proven concept for vehicles at speed, it produces an area of still or pressurized (ram air intakes) that allow the intakes to breath deeply from.

i'm not 100% sold on pods as you can see.

I agree, but only to a point for this application.

Reason being is that I seem to think it takes a decently high rate of speed for the ram air factor of an airbox to work, and while that isn't a problem for say a 1098, on a monster 696 your enjoying a lot of your fun at much lower speeds where the ram air factor may not be present.

Now with regards to this kit... I'm pretty sure TPO used to offer similar kits of velocity stacks and pod filters for only $250-300, so I wonder why this kit costs $1100... I mean if it includes the power commander that makes up ~$350 of the price difference, but are you telling me that their one little aluminum bracket is worth an additional $4-500?

Either way I am glad to see interesting products show up on the market.

[Raux]

i was only talking about ram air.
remember the old induction cowls of the muscle car era. it was basically creating a large volume of still air for the intakes to breath

[Veloce-Fino]

i wonder if they just sell the bracket for the computer.

I have my own idea for an intake.

and the other thing. I've been thinking. I think the pod filters will show more on the dyno, but not so much at speed.
reason..
1. the dyno is still air, taking advantage of the larger surface area of the pods.
2. moving at 100mph there is very little if any still air that the pods can have access to. it would be turbulent and moving past the pods.
3. the airbox is a proven concept for vehicles at speed, it produces an area of still or pressurized (ram air intakes) that allow the intakes to breath deeply from.

i'm not 100% sold on pods as you can see.

Raux, this is directly from the mouth of the WaspWorks owner.

"air flow from the cooling jet (black duct in front of the dyno) is actually over 100kms per hour continuous and is running all the time when dyno testing.."

By doing this he is attempting to re-create the on road conditions as best a possible. From my experiences with dyno testing this is commonplace. Back when I was dyno testing my LS1 I used those tornado fans mounted directly in front of the intake to create a ram-aim effect.

[Veloce-Fino]

interesting school of thought..........back in the day ( 1907, yes BGB is an old,old,old woman) .............. there were smooth bore intake manifolds. Then the thought changed to rough castings as intake manifolds and bellmouths were fitted onto carbs. The idea being that air tumbling into the carbs, mixed up with the fuel was then shot into the combustion chambers where the atomized fuel /air mixture covered the chamber completely and resulted in a cleaner quicker burn which produced more horsepower.
I am always open to learning new things.............. this was your history lesson for the day.
BGB

Look closely at the TB intake's the wasp kit comes with. You can see the small dimples on around the entire surface. The purpose of having these on the TB intake is to reduce turbulence and allow the airflow to travel more efficiently into the combustion chamber. Look at the intake manifold on a modern V8 such as a SBC LS1,2,4.. the manifold is smooth on the interior but has individual plenums for each cylinder to help smooth the flow into the combustion chamber. Same concept here but without plenums using the dimples to control airflow.

[ChrisH]

There's also a difference between a rough surface area on the intake manifold & the surface of the throttle body. The throttle body, and in this case, the velocity stack is designed to speed up in coming airflow which will theoretically increase the volume & speed of the air coming in which will necessitate more fuel, and equate to more power (theoretically). This is all pre intake manifold. Inside the intake manifold, post throttlebody, the casting is surely rough which would promote fuel atomization & result in a more complete burn, again theoretically leading to more power.

What I find interesting about this kit are the dimples on the velocity stack. I think the theory is sound - it's proven to increase & stabilize airflow on golf balls, so I see every reason for it to work in this app. I would love to play around with one of these, but the part definitely has a premium cost put on it which I can only assume is because it is being used on a Ducati. I think even with the Power Commander, the cost on this should more realistically be around $700 retail. That should be  more then enough to leave a fair profit margin on the tooling and R&D of the stack, bracket, and custom PCV map.

The Duc tax in this case blows, because I'm sure that the stack does a great job, and I think the design is innovative & looks to be well executed. That price point will keep a lot of people out, and encourage people to have their own copy cat design made for much cheaper instead of giving the money to innovators.

[mattc7]

wonder if wasp would provide group pricing to the US for those of us who'ld have to pay that overseas fee

[Veloce-Fino]

wonder if wasp would provide group pricing to the US for those of us who'ld have to pay that overseas fee

Interesting, A group buy would certainly be a possibility. I wonder what kind of discount we could work with a large group of buyers.

Here is a photo of the actual dyno used. Note the black duct in front of the bike pushing air directly towards the intake,