WASP Powerup kit for 696/1100 released Details and pics inside!! *dyno charts!

[Raux]

100kph is 62mph. hardly at speed. try 230kph and then i'll think they've got it right.
i'm not trying to knock them don't get me wrong. and you're doing a great case defending them.
the turbulence I'm talking about is around the filters not the intakes themselves.

[Veloce-Fino]

100kph is 62mph. hardly at speed. try 230kph and then i'll think they've got it right.
i'm not trying to knock them don't get me wrong. and you're doing a great case defending them.
the turbulence I'm talking about is around the filters not the intakes themselves.

I totally understand, we're discussing not arguing.

In regard to the turbulence, would it matter how the air was flowing through the filter as long at the turbulence was minimized before entering the TB. The goal of the filter would be to allow as much air as possible to enter the TB as quickly as possible while the "velocity stacks" manage turbulence with the dimples similar to a gold ball.

[Howie]

Is the price in US dollars or Australian dollars?  If the price is in Australian dollars, then it is about $950 US.

[Veloce-Fino]

Is the price in US dollars or Australian dollars?  If the price is in Australian dollars, then it is about $950 US.

The price in AU dollars is $1350

[Raux]

ok take this picture.
the front of the intake are blocked off from and straight ram induction by the end caps of the filters. the sides have a smooth thin although breathing cover, which will create a smoother airflow AROUND the filter at higher speeds. I just feel at higher speeds this setup would starve for smooth available air.

[mattc7]

Is the price in US dollars or Australian dollars?  If the price is in Australian dollars, then it is about $950 US.

Per today's exchange rate, 1350 AUD = 1167.75 USD

I wonder how much weight this would save compared to the airbox etc.   Also, while you're in there, a speedcell battery completes the weight alteration!  (all that weight's pretty high, so it would seem to be a nice center of gravity lowering process as well

[Veloce-Fino]

Per today's exchange rate, 1350 AUD = 1167.75 USD

I wonder how much weight this would save compared to the airbox etc.   Also, while you're in there, a speedcell battery completes the weight alteration!  (all that weight's pretty high, so it would seem to be a nice center of gravity lowering process as well

Speedcell? never heard of them. Have a link I'm interested.

*nevermind found them

http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myProducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=915|Batteries%20and%20Battery%20Accessories&productID=6814&showDetail=1&categoryID=915|Batteries%20and%20Battery%20Accessories&vendoridtodisplay=0&filterFor=&collection

[Raux]

I think TAft is a minor sponsor and builds a speedcell type battery.

[mattc7]

I think TAft is a minor sponsor and builds a speedcell type battery.

I don't know his, but I've seen other copies, that never quite work out as well.  His may be an exception to this.

Typically weight savings vs yt12bbs, 7lbs!

[mattc7]

Interesting that WaspWorks are pricing the M696/M1100 PUK @ AU$1350 (+10% GST for us locals) when their PUKs for other models all sell for AU$1190 (which is around US$1000 right now)...   >> http://www.waspworks.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1&zenid=jlng69k8jkqk38p6hhfiqsaqs5 <<  Be nice if we could negotiate a group buy closer to this pricing than the AU$1350 (also be cheaper for me to buy it back from a US group buyer than to buy direct coz of internal sales tax).

I believe this has to do with the bracketry required, as the airbox on the 1100 holds all the goodies attached to it (solenoid, ecu, etc). Also the PC5 is a bit more expensive than it's PC3 counterpart.

[Veloce-Fino]

Interesting that WaspWorks are pricing the M696/M1100 PUK @ AU$1350 (+10% GST for us locals) when their PUKs for other models all sell for AU$1190 (which is around US$1000 right now)...   >> http://www.waspworks.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1&zenid=jlng69k8jkqk38p6hhfiqsaqs5 <<  Be nice if we could negotiate a group buy closer to this pricing than the AU$1350 (also be cheaper for me to buy it back from a US group buyer than to buy direct coz of internal sales tax).

What group size are we talking 5, 10, 15? I am very interested.

[Veloce-Fino]

Depends on the discount  .   I'm interested too, but I'm choking on the AU$1485 local ask.

Well I know you have the cash so if we got a group buy maybe I could purchase a kit for you have it shipped to me than mail it back to you in the down under. Probably would be breaking some kind of international laws, but hey what the hell!!

[mattc7]

Now with regards to this kit... I'm pretty sure TPO used to offer similar kits of velocity stacks and pod filters for only $250-300, so I wonder why this kit costs $1100... I mean if it includes the power commander that makes up ~$350 of the price difference, but are you telling me that their one little aluminum bracket is worth an additional $4-500?

The guys from TPO sent me this on May 17th, so it's in the works:

Hi Matt,

Yes, a BEAST kit for the new Monsters is in the works.  The velocity stacks work perfectly on the new bikes, we're just trying to find a way to make the required mounting brackets in a way that is cost-effective for you.  Ducati made the mounting of the coils and so forth much more complicated on the new Monsters.  We're working on a way to make the correct brackets for the kit that won't add a lot to the cost of the kit.

Allan

There are some differences to the kit. From discussions with Wasp, it seems like they put alittle more development time into stack length, the dimpling, and the mapping of the product, as well as the bracketry, and PCV. Whether this makes it worth $1350/1170 (AUD/USD), depends on the individual.

TPO's current Beast kit retails at 250, and the R-level kit 350.

The gains (in percentage) from the Wasp kits are typically higher than TPO from what I've seen, which I attribute to the more severe bell-mouth shaping and dimples on their stacks, whereas the TPO stacks are either straight or slightly belled (depending on the kit), and smooth. They show about 4-5 hp gains on the 900 motor. 7 on the DS1000

The Wasp kit is showing about 7 hp on the 696, and if we assume a similar jump for the 1100, you'ld see around 10 hp increase. (this is using percentages, in order to minimize the different dyno scenario).

Beast R (without the 696/1100's more complex bracketry) $350 + PCV $350 + dyno tuning time on the PC ($100.00 per hour give/take) + bracket for the 696/1100 + outerwares covers to keep water out of the intake $55.

To me, when it all comes together you're at a toss up in terms of the price/time/simplicity/power quantifier.

[supertjeduc]

I just don't believe that this can bring 10 hp
You beter buy some hot cams and a rapid bike or power commander
I have pod filters on my old 900 ie with dyno's before and after
And the difference was about 0.5 hp

[Veloce-Fino]

I just don't believe that this can bring 10 hp
You beter buy some hot cams and a rapid bike or power commander
I have pod filters on my old 900 ie with dyno's before and after
And the difference was about 0.5 hp

if the 696 has a proven 6HP gain why is a 10HP gain not possible on a larger motor. I consider it very possible. I would expect somewhere between an 8-12 hp gain on an 1100.