Best high flow filter for 696/796/1100

[00Kevin]

So what exactly IS the benefit of the new ECU and high flow filter? What are the gains from it?

[Veloce-Fino]

So what exactly IS the benefit of the new ECU and high flow filter? What are the gains from it?

I'm not aware of anyone who actually did before and after dyno testing to see the real numbers gains.

Honestly I'm not getting it for that reason. From what I understand the new ECU and filter will help with a few of the 696's notorious issues.

Anyone who has ridden a 696 knows that dead on 4k rpm the engine hesitates almost like it is being starved of fuel. The engine tone changes and the decreased power can be felt.

Backfiring after the installation of aftermarket exhaust due to the engine running lean (lack of fuel) is also corrected due to the increase in fueling which is why the "race" ecu is technically for "off road use only" Installing the new ecu and filter means that the bike no longer conforms to the european emissions standards. Here in the US there are no emissions standards for MC's so no worries there. (except for CA I believe they have some sort of emissions for MC's)

Another Issue I have not experienced but have heard many complaints about is the hesitation when trying to get moving from a stop in first. I have not had any issue with this, and have no problem pulling a wheelstand from a dead stop  

Considering the $300 price tag for a re-flash + the $50-200 cost for an air filter depending on brand name I would say it is  more than worth the cost.

The ECU allows the engine to run as it was intended by the engineers who designed it before politics and other BS got involved... you know that story.

Oh, the DP ecu re-flash also increases the rev limit to I BELIEVE 10.5krpm? correct me if I'm wrong.
The benefits of this are debatable. From the dyno graphs I have seen the 696 TQ curve peak is about ~6500rpm and the HP curve peak is almost dead on 9k rpm. So debatably there is a benefit to be gained in the power of the bike, aside from everything else listed above.


Is it worth it for you? who knows, thats your decision.

*TQ and HP curve for a 696. From an owner who installed a Waspworks PUK
HP
http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0BxalkMewj5HdNGJiZDY0OWItNmU5Ni00MzZlLThhNDMtN2NmMTgyOTMyM2Jh&hl=en
TQ
http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0BxalkMewj5HdY2M1ZjgwYzAtZWJiZS00NTY2LWJhMWEtMTM4YmIwYTNhYmM5&hl=en

[00Kevin]

Exactly what I wanted to know! Thanks! 

[ChrisH]

This thread went ot big time, but it's awesome! I'm siked to be able to get the reflash! Wonder how the reflash runs with just pod filters without an exhaust! Presumably fine since I doubt there is much power to gain with slipons.

[chisel]

So, up front, sorry for continuing the off-topic nature of this thread.

However, I have a question about this reflashing.

Do you, currently, have a DP ECU as would be delivered with a Termi exhaust system?

If so, are you hoping to get the DP ECU as would be delivered with a Termi exhaust system flashed?

If you do not have a DP ECU, are you hoping to get the stock ECU reflashed?

If you are looking to get the stock ECU reflashed, in what state is it returned to you? Does it register as a DP ECU, or is the firmware simply updated to handle input and output differently?

I'm asking these questions because I'm debating whether or not to spend the money on a Termi system simply for the ECU. I don't really like the Termi slip ons but would greatly relish the chance to begin solving the lean running conditions inherent to the bike.

My current plan is to get my hands on the DP ECU, add a hi flow air filter, fit the exhaust system I would like, get a PCV and have a custom map made. If I can get the sucker flashed without having to buy a whole system, I'd find it much more to my liking.

[chisel]

By the way: I did a search and found this post. Answered a lot of my questions.

http://www.ducati.ms/forums/showthread.php?p=894641

[Veloce-Fino]

So, up front, sorry for continuing the off-topic nature of this thread.

However, I have a question about this reflashing.

Do you, currently, have a DP ECU as would be delivered with a Termi exhaust system?

If so, are you hoping to get the DP ECU as would be delivered with a Termi exhaust system flashed?

If you do not have a DP ECU, are you hoping to get the stock ECU reflashed?

If you are looking to get the stock ECU reflashed, in what state is it returned to you? Does it register as a DP ECU, or is the firmware simply updated to handle input and output differently?

I'm asking these questions because I'm debating whether or not to spend the money on a Termi system simply for the ECU. I don't really like the Termi slip ons but would greatly relish the chance to begin solving the lean running conditions inherent to the bike.

My current plan is to get my hands on the DP ECU, add a hi flow air filter, fit the exhaust system I would like, get a PCV and have a custom map made. If I can get the sucker flashed without having to buy a whole system, I'd find it much more to my liking.

If you are asking me, I have a stock ecu and Ryan Hamptons twintube underseat exhaust. I would be re-flashing my current stock ecu to DP spec and adding a high-flow airfilter. From what Anthony at desmoworks has told me the ECU will be a true "dp spec ecu" with the startup message and all. Same as buying a $1300 DP ecu from Ducati. I'll let you know in this thread for sure when I get it done this week.

[DucNaked]

I've ordered mine. I got the User unit with Full system no flapper or O2 sensors and raised rev limit. We'll see how it works.

[Veloce-Fino]

I've ordered mine. I got the User unit with Full system no flapper or O2 sensors and raised rev limit. We'll see how it works.

I'm confused, who did you buy the re-flash from? details on the "user unit" please. Also, will removing the 02 sensors require any further modification or can you just plug and play and remove the 02's

I would love to remove my  02's so in the future if I get a wasp kit I will be able to do a FULL dyno tune with the PC5. However I'm afraid to remove the 02's because I will not be getting a PC5 any time soon.

I'm assuming the user unit retunes the ECU under 4k rpm where the 02's are working so they are no longer needed.

Sorry for the questions but details please.

[DucNaked]

I talked to Anthony, but he stopped responding so I ordered it at Spareshack. The user unit comes preloaded with a map and you can read error codes reset the tps and co. It saves the stock map in the unit if you have to swap back. It uploads the map with the plug under the seat. Without the sensors you can map the whole map with the pc5.
My bike is a M1100
Link to Rexxer user unit
http://www.spareshack.com/products/31/RexXer-.php

[Veloce-Fino]

I talked to Anthony, but he stopped responding so I ordered it at Spareshack. The user unit comes proloaded with a map and you can read error codes reset the tps and co. It saves the stock map in the unit if you have to swap back. It uploads the map with the plug under the seat. Without the sensors you can map the whole map with the pc5.
My bike is a M1100

Ok so you bought this.
http://www.spareshack.com/products/31/RexXer-.php

And with it you are able to do your own ECU editing? Also, I know about tuning the whole rpm range if you remove the 02's but if you remove them and then just load the preloaded tune will the bike run? or is a PCV required at this point.


Where do you get the tunes from? how do we know the user unit will come loaded with a map that works with my setup?

[DucNaked]

Ok so you bought this.
http://www.spareshack.com/products/31/RexXer-.php

And with it you are able to do your own ECU editing? Also, I know about tuning the whole rpm range if you remove the 02's but if you remove them and then just load the preloaded tune will the bike run? or is a PCV required at this point.

No, you can't do your own editing. Your buying a map to your specs preloaded on the unit. Basically the same thing you'd get if you sent it off to be flashed. You upload the map with the unit and it saves your old map, in case you have to go back. Yes, you can run with 02 removed because you have a new map that isn't looking for the o2 info. With the pcv you can edit the whole map to make it perfect. But the pcv is not required.

[Veloce-Fino]

No you can't do your own editing. Your buying a map to you specs preloaded on the unit. Basicaly the same thing you'd get if you sent it off to be flashed. You upload the map with the unit and it saves your old map, in case you have to go back. Yes, you can run with 02 removed because you have a new map that isn't looking for the o2 info. With the pcv you can edit the whole map to make it perfect. But the pcv is not required.

Excellent all questions answered. YOU ARE AWESOME 

Ok, so I want this, how do i go about getting a tune from spare shack that is designed for my uncommon exhaust and high -flow filter?

[DucNaked]

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[ungeheuer]

Ok, so I want this, how do i go about getting a tune from spare shack that is designed for my uncommon exhaust and high -flow filter?

US$477??  How much is a straightout reflash?  US$300??