2010 WSBK Round 12-Nurburgring (spoilers!)

[zooom]

FP1 results

Pos No. Rider Bike Time Diff
1 3 M. Biaggi Aprilia RSV4 Factory 1'56.571   
2 84 M. Fabrizio Ducati 1098R 1'56.626 0.055
3 7 C. Checa Ducati 1098R 1'56.699 0.128
4 41 N. Haga Ducati 1098R 1'56.897 0.326
5 67 S. Byrne Ducati 1098R 1'56.967 0.396
6 65 J. Rea Honda CBR1000RR 1'56.973 0.402
7 35 C. Crutchlow Yamaha YZF R1 1'57.083 0.512
8 91 L. Haslam Suzuki GSX-R1000 1'57.225 0.654
9 11 T. Corser BMW S1000 RR 1'57.250 0.679
10 57 L. Lanzi Ducati 1098R 1'57.413 0.842
11 96 J. Smrz Aprilia RSV4 Factory 1'57.418 0.847
12 50 S. Guintoli Suzuki GSX-R1000 1'57.728 1.157
13 99 L. Scassa Ducati 1098R 1'57.745 1.174
14 52 J. Toseland Yamaha YZF R1 1'57.831 1.260
15 111 R. Xaus BMW S1000 RR 1'57.835 1.264
16 2 L. Camier Aprilia RSV4 Factory 1'57.919 1.348
17 66 T. Sykes Kawasaki ZX 10R 1'58.097 1.526
18 76 M. Neukirchner Honda CBR1000RR 1'58.542 1.971
19 95 R. Hayden Kawasaki ZX 10R 1'59.551 2.980
20 5 I. Lowry Kawasaki ZX 10R 1'59.784 3.213
21 33 F. Lai Honda CBR1000RR 2'00.916 4.345
22 15 M. Baiocco Kawasaki ZX 10R 2'01.990 5.419

[zooom]

FP2

Pos. Rider Team Bike Time
1 Carlos Checa Althea Racing Ducati 1098R 1:55.232
2 Troy Corser BMW Motorrad Motorsport BMW S1000 RR 1:55.447
3 Michel Fabrizio Ducati Xerox Team Ducati 1098R 1:55.753
4 Shane Byrne Althea Racing Ducati 1098R 1:55.998
5 Noriyuki Haga Ducati Xerox Team Ducati 1098R 1:56.077
6 Max Biaggi Aprilia Racing Aprilia RSV4 1000 1:56.169
7 Cal Crutchlow Yamaha Sterilgarda Team Yamaha YZF R1 1:56.253
8 Jonathan Rea HANNspree Ten Kate Honda Honda CBR1000RR 1:56.340
9 Jakub Smrz Borciani-Guandalini Racing Team Aprilia RSV4 1000 1:56.436
10 Tom Sykes Kawasaki World Superbike Racing Team Kawasaki ZX 10R 1:56.617
11 Leon Haslam Team Suzuki Alstare Suzuki GSX-R1000 1:56.617
12 Max Neukirchner HANNspree Ten Kate Honda Honda CBR1000RR 1:56.734
13 Luca Scassa Supersonic Team Ducati 1098R 1:56.799
14 Ruben Xaus BMW Motorrad Motorsport BMW S1000 RR 1:56.819
15 Lorezo Lanzi  Ducati 1098R 1:56.825
16 Leon Camier Aprilia Racing Aprilia RSV4 1000 1:56.838
17 Sylvain Guintoli Team Suzuki Alstare Suzuki GSX-R1000 1:57.001
18 James Toseland Yamaha Sterilgarda Team Yamaha YZF R1 1:58.403

[Spidey]

Maybe, just maybe it's a Duc track?   

[MadDuck]

We'll see. It's about time for a knock down drag out fight. Haven't had one of those for a while and it' getting close to the season end.

[fastwin]

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Sep/100904c.htm

Superpole results.

[zooom]

wholly Molly....I guess Haga getting the news of not having a ride for the Ducati factory next year ( not that I think he would have retained that ride with his performances this year) put a lil somethin something in his shorts afire....and I would have lopved to have seen Guintoli make a go of gettin by Max in race 2...

Race 1 results...

Pos. Rider Team Bike
1 Jonathan Rea HANNspree Ten Kate Honda Honda CBR1000RR
2 Carlos Checa Althea Racing Ducati 1098R
3 Cal Crutchlow Yamaha Sterilgarda Team Yamaha YZF R1
4 Max Biaggi Aprilia Racing Aprilia RSV4 1000
5 Tom Sykes Kawasaki World Superbike Racing Team Kawasaki ZX 10R
6 Leon Haslam Team Suzuki Alstare Suzuki GSX-R1000
7 Ruben Xaus BMW Motorrad Motorsport BMW S1000 RR
8 Sylvain Guintoli Team Suzuki Alstare Suzuki GSX-R1000
9 Shane Byrne Althea Racing Ducati 1098R
10 Luca Scassa Supersonic Team Ducati 1098R
11 Lorenzo Lanzi DFX Corse Ducati 1098R
12 I Lowrey Kawasaki World Superbike Racing Team Kawasaki ZX 10R
13 Roger Lee Hayden Team Pedercini Kawasaki ZX 10R
14 M. Baiocco Team Pedercini Kawasaki ZX 10R


Toseland, Neuikirchner, Smrz, Haga and Fabrizio all crashed out. Corser rode off and DNF'd.


and then Race 2 results...

Pos. Rider Team Bike
1 Noriyuki Haga Ducati Xerox Team Ducati 1098R
2 Jonathan Rea HANNspree Ten Kate Honda Honda CBR1000RR
3 Leon Haslam Team Suzuki Alstare Suzuki GSX-R1000
4 Cal Crutchlow Yamaha Sterilgarda Team Yamaha YZF R1
5 Max Biaggi Aprilia Racing Aprilia RSV4 1000
6 Sylvain Guintoli Team Suzuki Alstare Suzuki GSX-R1000
7 Tom Sykes Kawasaki World Superbike Racing Team Kawasaki ZX 10R
8 James Toseland Yamaha Sterilgarda Team Yamaha YZF R1
9 Ruben Xaus BMW Motorrad Motorsport BMW S1000 RR
10 Shane Byrne Althea Racing Ducati 1098R
11 Jakub Smrz Borciani-Guandalini Racing Team Ducati 1098R
12 Troy Corser BMW Motorrad Motorsport BMW S1000 RR
13 Lorenzo Lanzi DFX Ducati 1098R
14 Luca Scassa Supersonic Team Ducati 1098R
15 Max Neukirchner HANNspree Ten Kate Honda Honda CBR1000RR
16 Roger Lee Hayden Team Pedercini Kawasaki ZX 10R
17 M. Baiocco Team Pedercini Kawasaki ZX 10R
18 F. Lai  Honda CBR1000RR
19 Michel Fabrizio Ducati Xerox Team Ducati 1098R


Margin of victory: 3 seconds.

An incredible feat for Haga to take a lowly Ducati and beat a grid full of prototypes.

[duccarlos]

the Ape is the only bike that can be considered a prototype.

[zooom]

the Ape is the only bike that can be considered a prototype.

true enough, but some look at the frankenstien differences between the race bikes and their homologation on the showroom floor counterparts....and that Ducati is the closest resemblance to what you can drive off the showroom floor....the R1 for example is so far from being that kinship, that it makes it hard...but they are within the rule parameters...so it is fine...the Ape just happened to exploit a bit of the wording that has been changed for next year, so we shall see...

[gm2]

true enough, but some look at the frankenstien differences between the race bikes and their homologation on the showroom floor counterparts....and that Ducati is the closest resemblance to what you can drive off the showroom floor....the R1 for example is so far from being that kinship, that it makes it hard...but they are within the rule parameters...so it is fine...

other than the [wsbk legal] gas tank, and the usual race refinements,  how is the R1 "so far"?

what does an 1198s cost?  what does a japanese liter bike cost?  ...maybe from a marketing perspective ducati has chosen to produce street bikes that are a hell of a lot closer to their race versions.  the japanese are free to do the same thing.

..what i'm getting at is, despite the year they've had, "lowly ducati" is some nonsense   

[Spidey]

An incredible feat for Haga to take a lowly Ducati and beat a grid full of prototypes.

Checa's been doing that all season (other than Biaggi).  And with a privateer bike.

It sucks that Rea's Honda has been so hit-or-miss this year.  In preseason, I thought he'd have a go at it with Biaggi this year, but he's so far back that's his late season charge is totally pointless.  Where's he going next year?  I thought a factory Duc would be good, but it doesn't look that way.  He can't stay with Honda if they're going to produce a bike that finicky. 

<usual refrain>  BTW, since WSBK has been a bit of a disappointment this year when I expected it to be a barnburner every round, I've taken up AMA Daytona Sportbike as my favorite racing to watch.  It's make the beast with two backsin' awesome.  Pretend like ya don't hate DMG and Speed for a weekend and watch the races.  Soooo worth it.   

[zooom]

other than the [wsbk legal] gas tank, and the usual race refinements,  how is the R1 "so far"?

what does an 1198s cost?  what does a japanese liter bike cost?  ...maybe from a marketing perspective ducati has chosen to produce street bikes that are a hell of a lot closer to their race versions.  the japanese are free to do the same thing.

..what i'm getting at is, despite the year they've had, "lowly ducati" is some nonsense   

strip the skins or look at the naked stripped and skinless bikes when they post those pictures and see if an R1 looks anything like a naked one you see in a service department....do the same with the Ducati...you tell me...

it isn't just the gas tank, it is electronics and all sorts of trickness that is all over those machines that you will not find elsewhere...but the Duc is alot closer to it's customer counterparts, especially since the gridded privateer bikes are pretty much 1198R's reskinned and repackaged with the spec'd and needed accoutrements for racing.

 

AMA Daytona Sportbike as my favorite racing to watch.  It's make the beast with two backsin' awesome.  Pretend like ya don't hate DMG and Speed for a weekend and watch the races.  Soooo worth it.   

I have to admit...I have caught a race or 2 in that series...and they are indeed some great races indeed....comparable to WSS as far as passing and not being a yawnfest of a parade.

[duccarlos]

Let's see if the close racing in AMA produces the world class riders of "tomorrow".

The Beemer is also another bike that follows the "prototype" tag, but since it's so inconsistent no one complains.

[gm2]

it isn't just the gas tank, it is electronics and all sorts of trickness that is all over those machines that you will not find elsewhere...but the Duc is alot closer to it's customer counterparts, especially since the gridded privateer bikes are pretty much 1198R's reskinned and repackaged with the spec'd and needed accoutrements for racing.

that's the point i was making.. ducati made the [marketing] choice to sell a race bike with lights and mirrors.  and you pay for it.  the japanese sell you the base bike for a lot less and you get to track it out if you so choose.

electronics, duh.  those packages cost more than the bikes do.

[ducpainter]

zooom is right.

Haga's looking for a ride.

[gm2]

zooom is right.

Haga's looking for a ride.

no doubt.  he was pretty clear about not retiring.