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« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2008, 05:10:04 PM »

Thanks Dragonworld I figured that was what you were trying to say. My only intention was to use all four fingers as I always have. From the measurements I have made it would seem that I could fit all four fingers on a shorty lever - in reality though this does not seem likely from the comments I have read.

Mates of mine have made similar comments about the foot controls on sportsbikes and how tiny they are compared to the controls on their cruisers.
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« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2008, 05:14:20 PM »

I have just been through the exercise of Rizoma, CRG and Pazzo and getting them locally or via the internet from the US.

You will find that the Pazzo resellers in the US will mark up the price of the Pazzos to the US equivalent of the local Aus price.  It is part of their reseller agreement to protect the Australian Distributor.  I know that with the US Free Trade agreement that might not seem all that legal but I wasnt prepared to take up the fight.

The Rizomas are not cheap and about twice the price of the CRG and Pazzo alternatives so I disconted them at the outset.

So it was either CRG or Pazzo.

I settled on the Pazzo as they seemed to have the clutch lever system ie the kill switch actuation sorted out better for the S4R system better than CRG and the communication with the company about the Pazzos was great.

So once I settled on the Pazzos I found a company that would send to a local US address of a mate and then he shipped to me!!!  

All good.. and on the bike.



Just my approach


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« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2008, 09:54:19 PM »

Thanks Dragonworld I figured that was what you were trying to say. My only intention was to use all four fingers as I always have. From the measurements I have made it would seem that I could fit all four fingers on a shorty lever - in reality though this does not seem likely from the comments I have read.

Mates of mine have made similar comments about the foot controls on sportsbikes and how tiny they are compared to the controls on their cruisers.
Four fingers, very impressive... Grin
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« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2008, 11:13:31 PM »

currently using the long ,but would swap them for shorties anytime  waytogo
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« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2008, 02:51:15 AM »

You know, you can get cheap adjustables (long only I think) to suit both the large (coffin style master) and small pivot (pill bottle masters) for about $20 each - got mine from Ron @ Flywheels.

Sure, they don't have the bling factor, but for $20 I'm not complaining
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« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2008, 03:44:16 AM »

Jukie has some cheapy adjustables on at the moment, but they are a bit .... floppy?
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« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2008, 03:57:27 AM »

Don't let her hear you say floppy about the 620.........
There are also ABM's or have we said that already?
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« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2008, 04:09:00 AM »

I thought floppy was OK, I really wanted to say loose but thought better of it.

Haven't seen the ABMs - got a source?
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« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2008, 04:20:36 AM »

Saw an ad in the last Cycle Torque paper.
I'll have to find it and let you know.
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« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2008, 04:27:24 AM »

Don't stress about it, I will do some net searches.
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« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2008, 04:39:33 AM »

No problem, I think they are a little more accescable than Pazzo/CRG.
don't know about price.

Good luck, let us know what you find. 
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« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2008, 07:52:08 PM »

Rusty I think you will find that the Rizomas are $185 per lever from PJs (checked their website). But I am interested to see where you can get Pazzos for $159US, can you point me in the right direction?

I do need to buy two sets of most things, so every little bit counts.

I am also getting the impression that even with my little girly hands I may not be able to get more than a couple of fingers on the shorty levers - would love to be corrected if anyone has first hand experience.

Ouch - 185 per lever sucks..... Yup, stick with the Pazzos. My Pazzo price is based on what I paid about a year ago - I see hey are now 179-189 us - I got them off Performance Moto - http://stores.channeladvisor.com/performance-motorsports/Brake%20and%20Clutch%20Levers/?sck=76703695 make sure you enter the cosr ALL10 so that you get a further 10% off the price listed. They were very quick and have other stuff I was after eg: helmet visors and other usefull stuff.

I see where some people are with the lever length argument - I think Dragonworld would do well to get a set of std Pazzos. Short styles is good for three fingers but if you need to get the pinky on as well go the long lever. But the main reason they would be good is that you can adjust them so that they suit you finger length - No rude jokes here  drink

I think the other thing that needs to be understood is that the S4Rs that I ride has really powerful brakes. Not quite at the level of the 1098 but the same as the 999 which is very, very strong. If you have brakes that require more effort then you may need to think about the length as you may need the leverage. When you have weaker brakes you need every extra bit of stopping power you can get hold of.

On my bike I run the shorty style and can get three fingers on both levers but generally use 2 or 1 in city riding but on the track I tend to use three on the front brake (Eastern creek corner 2 and 9) and only use 2 on the clutch going down gears (I don't use the clutch going up as there is no need). On both these corners (which are the only ones you really use the brakes on a Duc) I generally catch many bikes as I can use the brakes to the front tyre's limit. As I said the brakes on the s4Rs are very good.

The long and short of it is, think about the bike you have, the braking power you have available, the type of riding you do and then once you have done all that, chose the levers that are best suited to the job and that you are comfortable with. As mentioned before, the front brake of the bike is one of the most important tools you have to stay safe on the road so chose wisely.

Hope this helps - R_usty

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« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2008, 09:10:47 PM »

on a modern bike with decent brakes, S2R800 excluded here unfortunately!! you should have no concerns about a lever coming back to the bar under an emergency braking situation, i mean really, our bikes are over braked and on my S4R even with the std set up there was no way i would apply enough brake pressure to crush my fingers between the lever and the bar. i now use 4 pad calipers and cast iron rotors which are very powerful but offer lots of feel also, something the std set up lacked. yes 4 fingers is the correct technique and i agree if you use fewer you are risking crushed fingers, not enough braking or a crash etc.etc. but with proper maintenance it shouldn't be an issue.


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« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2008, 11:05:09 PM »

Jukie has some cheapy adjustables on at the moment, but they are a bit .... floppy?

Floppy like a Grandmothers arm?

You know, like when they wave with short sleeves and it's flappin around like a dead fish?
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« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2008, 04:15:19 PM »

Floppy like a Grandmothers arm?

You know, like when they wave with short sleeves and it's flappin around like a dead fish?


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