2010 MotoGP Round 14-Motegi (SPOILERS!)

[El Matador]

Pedrosa was never going to catch Lorenzo.  Lorenzo has put on a clinic this season about how to win a championship.  Get a big points lead and then just ride consistently and safely.  Make everyone chasing you go for broke every race.  They'll eventually fall down or have some other sort of DNF.  It's all about who succumbs to the pressure.  Lorenzo has clearly learned a lot from Rossi.

It works the other way round too.  If you're chasing someone down in the championship and they're feeling the heat, that's when they make mistakes.  (Ben v. Haga 2009). 

This.  ^

Quoted for truth.

[ducpainter]

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I still don't see how you guys can act like It was basically scripture that Pedrosa was going to catch up to Lorenzo.

No one said that....well maybe zooom did.

We just said Jorge didn't have a lock on it...that too much can happen.

Maybe Rossi would pay him the ultimate 'favor'...and do a Pedrosa on his team mate.

[zooom]

I still don't see how you guys can act like It was basically scripture that Pedrosa was going to catch up to Lorenzo.

CATCH UP...was looking very likely...beat him...I wouldn't have said that...

No one said that....well maybe zooom did.

there ya go...LOL...I said it now...

but all it would have taken also, is Jorge to have a start or 2 from the back of the grid should his engine situation not pan out according to plan...that would have leveled the playing field a little bit also...

[gm2]

I still don't see how you guys can act like It was basically scripture that Pedrosa was going to catch up to Lorenzo.

CATCH UP...was looking very likely...beat him...I wouldn't have said that...

i don't even think it was likely.  i just think it was possible.  that, and shit almost always happens.

i think jorge is going to win.  i've thought that since Mugello.  i just liked that there was a possibility.  

[derby]

I still don't see how you guys can act like It was basically scripture that Pedrosa was going to catch up to Lorenzo.

i'm not... i was really just talking points on the table and the possibility that jorge had a bad weekend.

[Speeddog]

Lorenzo won 7 out of the first 10 races.
The other 3 0f those 10 races he finished 2nd.

Pedrosa had a 7th, 8th and a dnf in those 10.
He lost 53 points there.
Laguna finished his championship challenge.

And all this talk of an asterisk on Jorge's championship.
He's finished every f'n race so far, challenged for the win more often than he probably should have, and learned that 2nd is a lot better than kitty litter.
He deserves it.

[El Matador]

Lorenzo won 7 out of the first 10 races.
The other 3 0f those 10 races he finished 2nd.

Pedrosa had a 7th, 8th and a dnf in those 10.
He lost 53 points there.
Laguna finished his championship challenge.

And all this talk of an asterisk on Jorge's championship.
He's finished every f'n race so far, challenged for the win more often than he probably should have, and learned that 2nd is a lot better than kitty litter.
He deserves it.

Thank you. I thought I was the lone holdout for sense around here.

Where's fastwin, I mean RC51. He has some interesting opinions on Lorenzo. The only thing that seems to inspire his wrath more is Moto2

[derby]

Thank you. I thought I was the lone holdout for sense around here.

i don't think that anybody was saying it was LIKELY, merely a little more than mathematically possible given the number of races remaining.

look at it this way, a lorenzo dnf (for any reason, not necessarily a crash) could have eaten up nearly half the points deficit.

[kopfjäger]

Well first he got the cake, now the icing. Yorgi can just cruise now.

[Speeddog]

Puig is gonna have a stroke if Lorenzo has to take another motor.

[Jester]

And all this talk of an asterisk on Jorge's championship.
He's finished every f'n race so far, challenged for the win more often than he probably should have, and learned that 2nd is a lot better than kitty litter.
He deserves it.

Lorenzo is having a similar year to Stoner in 07'.  Stoner was batshit fast and never went down, despite a career history of binning bikes like Jorge.  That's the way it goes sometimes.  Lorenzo has had one of those unbeatable years.  Who knows, next year Jorge might bin the bike again in 3-4 races, or the bike will drop off its pedestal. 

I do think Pedro was going to close the gap though.  I have a feeling Jorge is either going to take a 7th engine, or get stuck running tired engines.  I also feel Rossi's biggest motivation was to finish ahead of Jorge to help out Pedro.  Its all moot now.

[El Matador]

Lorenzo is having a similar year to Stoner in 07'.  Stoner was batshit fast and never went down, despite a career history of binning bikes like Jorge.  That's the way it goes sometimes.  Lorenzo has had one of those unbeatable years.  Who knows, next year Jorge might bin the bike again in 3-4 races, or the bike will drop off its pedestal. 

I do think Pedro was going to close the gap though.  I have a feeling Jorge is either going to take a 7th engine, or get stuck running tired engines.  I also feel Rossi's biggest motivation was to finish ahead of Jorge to help out Pedro.  Its all moot now.

While you do have a point, you have to consider that Stoner was on arguably the fastest bike on the grid (Even if it did only work for him) while this year the Yammyhammers have been consistently the  slowest on the paddock. Hell, even the customer Hondas and Suzukis have been faster than the factory Yamahas.

 I do feel like Lorenzo has better racecraft than stoner ever did, and is much stronger mentally, which is why i doubt he's gonna be broken by Rossi. If anything, the other way around.

[Jester]

While you do have a point, you have to consider that Stoner was on arguably the fastest bike on the grid (Even if it did only work for him) while this year the Yammyhammers have been consistently the  slowest on the paddock. Hell, even the customer Hondas and Suzukis have been faster than the factory Yamahas.

 I do feel like Lorenzo has better racecraft than stoner ever did, and is much stronger mentally, which is why i doubt he's gonna be broken by Rossi. If anything, the other way around.

Yeah, but in 07' the Ducati was leaps and bounds faster than anything out there, and again Stoner handled it perfectly while never crashing.  I agree Lorenzo is the best racer to come along since Rossi debuted ( probably going to be the next dominant force ), but the Yamaha's are so refined in the chassis department, they don't lose out despite being a bit slower.  The speed gap on most weekends isn't big enough to be considered a real handicap as it was in 07'.  They are slower yes, but in 07' it was magnified to a greater level.

[Spidey]

Apparently, Ducatis are teh suck at Motegi.  Yamahas are not.

1. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Repsol Honda Team 1m 47.001s
2. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team 1m 47.055s
3. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro Team 1m 47.105s
4. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Fiat Yamaha Team 1m 47.206s
5. Colin Edwards USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1m 47.464s
6. Ben Spies USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1m 47.648s
7. Randy de Puniet FRA LCR Honda MotoGP 1m 47.752s
8. Marco Simoncelli ITA San Carlo Honda Gresini 1m 47.914s
9. Alvaro Bautista ESP Rizla Suzuki MotoGP 1m 48.002s
10. Loris Capirossi ITA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP 1m 48.068s
11. Nicky Hayden USA Ducati Marlboro Team 1m 48.182s
12. Marco Melandri ITA San Carlo Honda Gresini 1m 48.238s
13. Aleix Espargaro ESP Pramac Racing 1m 48.371s
14. Hiroshi Aoyama JPN Interwetten Honda MotoGP 1m 48.396s
15. Hector Barbera ESP Paginas Amarillas Aspar 1m 48.535s
16. Mika Kallio FIN Pramac Racing 1m 49.480s

[derby]

Yeah, but in 07' the Ducati was leaps and bounds faster than anything out there...

everybody seems to forget that they were also the only decent bike on good tires (bridgestones) while all the real competition was on a tire brand (michelin) that completely shit the bed.