Monster 1100 evo

[stopintime]

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So the question becomes ... why would you not look at something else?

Easy!

Because stock must be bad for us to have any fun and challenge to make it good.

(full exhaust, aftermarket subframe (soon), a.s.o.)

[mattc7]

aftermarket subframe?

[Betty]

Easy!

Because stock must be bad for us to have any fun and challenge to make it good.

(full exhaust, aftermarket subframe (soon), a.s.o.)

Interesting concept and definitely in line with this forum (so I don't disagree) ... but that was not really what I was suggesting - is there a reason for the broader market?

Very few of us Monster-modifying nutcases have actually opted to change to the 'new-style' Monsters from the 'old-style' ... so there can't be a very compelling case there either.

[stopintime]

Interesting concept and definitely in line with this forum (so I don't disagree) ... but that was not really what I was suggesting - is there a reason for the broader market?
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Sometimes I try the 180 degree approach - let's hope there is no reason for the "broader"/boring market. If so, Ducati gets a punch in their face and a lesson in how not to change their best selling model.

I'm not holding my breath though, because the new line has been selling well (yes?) and it is a better bike. I think it doesn't come close to the old style cool'ness, but that doesn't really matter to Ducati and their next customer....

aftermarket subframe?

Since it is one of the most questionable changes, it should only be a matter of time before it's made.
I would be very surprised if people like DucStew and MotoCreations haven't already thought about it.

[Mr.S2R]

Cant say that I am convinced ... it seems the Monster has gone from a 'style icon' to a 'sales icon'.
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So the question becomes ... why would you not look at something else?

valid points Betty - I think that what Ducati is evolving to do more and more is compete with the Japanese manufacturers. The half trellis, weight saving.  The exhaust from power cruiser, manufacturing cost. Suspension and wet clutch would be manufacturing costs again.  Also the engine being better and probably extending service times again (common complaint with Ducatis both 2 and 4 valve).

Sometimes I try the 180 degree approach - let's hope there is no reason for the "broader"/boring market. If so, Ducati gets a punch in their face and a lesson in how not to change their best selling model.

I think Ducati are doing that with the 1100evo evidenced by the return of the single sided swing arm.  Remember the 999?  Well I think the Monster1100 lost some styling with the swing arm and exhaust, and decided to go back to the design of the S2R/S4R as they were probably better selling models.  I honestly haven't seen a single Monster 1100 floating around Adelaide - actually seen more Streetfighters than new 1100!  So maybe sales aren't that great, thus the (re)design changes...

[mattc7]

Sometimes I try the 180 degree approach - let's hope there is no reason for the "broader"/boring market. If so, Ducati gets a punch in their face and a lesson in how not to change their best selling model.

I'm not holding my breath though, because the new line has been selling well (yes?) and it is a better bike. I think it doesn't come close to the old style cool'ness, but that doesn't really matter to Ducati and their next customer....


Since it is one of the most questionable changes, it should only be a matter of time before it's made.
I would be very surprised if people like DucStew and MotoCreations haven't already thought about it.

I had talked briefly with Mark about a tubular subframe replacement, but I believe he found not enough of a market to bother with it.  

Radical Ducati in Spain had also discussed the possibility of creating a subframe replacement (to use their tank/seat combo), but it's the kind of project where very few people may adopt, so there's little incentive to build the jigs/tooling/etc to build only a handful (if that many).  Someone needs to guinea pig it before it will really happen, i think.

I had also heard that a european company had been toying around with a sedici-themed carbon subframe/integrated seat, but that was over a year ago, and all has been quiet from them since.  

I'm sure it will happen eventually through one of two of these channels, but I think it's a ways down the line.

[vossy]

I hope this new Monster with the wet clutch doesn't mean the end of A Dry Clutch Monster.

Surely not.

[Betty]

I hope this new Monster with the wet clutch doesn't mean the end of A Dry Clutch Monster.

Surely not.

That is certainly the way it seems. If they have really thought about it, they will have designed it in a way that a dry clutch kit can be added/used similar to the one available for the 848 ... everybody wins that way.

[vossy]

Hang on Betty, that's too logical.

hope you're right though.

[Mr.S2R]

That is certainly the way it seems. If they have really thought about it, they will have designed it in a way that a dry clutch kit can be added/used similar to the one available for the 848 ... everybody wins that way.

Sorry Betty the new 848 are wet clutch - I can hear a death knell for the dry clutch Monster - only way you will get close is a Streetfighter!

[Betty]

Sorry Betty the new 848 are wet clutch - I can hear a death knell for the dry clutch Monster - only way you will get close is a Streetfighter!

Yes but you can get a dry clutch conversion kit for the 848:

http://www.ducatiperformance.com/ducati-848-dry-slipper-clutch-conversion-kit-p-4126.html

[Mr.S2R]

Yes but you can get a dry clutch conversion kit for the 848:

http://www.ducatiperformance.com/ducati-848-dry-slipper-clutch-conversion-kit-p-4126.html

I didnt know that - cheers!  Expensive bit of kit really!

[Betty]

I didnt know that - cheers!  Expensive bit of kit really!

I thought it was actually not too bad considering you get a slipper clutch and the kit includes the clutch housing and everything.

[mattyvas]

Yep that's pretty good pricing.
I know what a slipper can cost.

[Mr.S2R]

ah but when you consider the dry clutches were a factory standard on the high end Monsters then it does become a bit of expensive kit.  That money could go to exhaust or other bling!