Moving controls. What is easier?

[xcaptainxbloodx]

That's reason enough for me to drill them.

a simple solution to the worst case scenario is reason enough to drill what will probably need to be multiple holes in your bars? 

if you arent capable of determining  whether or not your controls are secure after mounting them without pins, you probably shouldent be swapping handlebars, you might not tighten the bar clamp (which uses no pins) and have the whole damn bar move!   what about the grips? no pins there, that could just spin on the throttle too!

[Veloce-Fino]

a simple solution to the worst case scenario is reason enough to drill what will probably need to be multiple holes in your bars? 

if you arent capable of determining  whether or not your controls are secure after mounting them without pins, you probably shouldent be swapping handlebars, you might not tighten the bar clamp (which uses no pins) and have the whole damn bar move!   what about the grips? no pins there, that could just spin on the throttle too!

Are we being arrogant now?

Do whatever you want. There's the right way and the easy way.

[xcaptainxbloodx]

im just saying, the locator pins are there so that techs can swap bars and controls easily and have every single one in the EXACT same spot, the fact that it keeps them from moving is secondary.  if you are moving to a custom set up then the chances of you getting the holes drilled right the first time are slim. if you are doing something like adjustable clip ons you will be REQUIRED to mount them, ride around a bit with them, then come back and change them.  Ive had maybe 15 positions on my tomasellis, if I drilled a new hole each time I changed them I would have dangerously weakened clip ons after 3 adjustments (assuming each hole is spot on the first time.)


many things on a bike (everything?) can get you killed if its not secured properly. when you start modding you alone responsible for making sure everything is secured adequately, if your controls are loose enough that the pin is what is keeping your controls from moving then they are to loose, thats why they are referred to as "locating pins" and not "locking pins".

[Mojo S2R]

Are we being arrogant now?

Do whatever you want. There's the right way and the easy way.

With that logic then I suppose Suzuki must be doing it the wrong way.  Probably a lot of other manufacturers don't use locating pins but that's the only one I have FHK of.

im just saying, the locator pins are there so that techs can swap bars and controls easily and have every single one in the EXACT same spot, the fact that it keeps them from moving is secondary.  if you are moving to a custom set up then the chances of you getting the holes drilled right the first time are slim. if you are doing something like adjustable clip ons you will be REQUIRED to mount them, ride around a bit with them, then come back and change them.  Ive had maybe 15 positions on my tomasellis, if I drilled a new hole each time I changed them I would have dangerously weakened clip ons after 3 adjustments (assuming each hole is spot on the first time.)


many things on a bike (everything?) can get you killed if its not secured properly. when you start modding you alone responsible for making sure everything is secured adequately, if your controls are loose enough that the pin is what is keeping your controls from moving then they are to loose, thats why they are referred to as "locating pins" and not "locking pins".

+1 to both points.

[jrjoe57]

Some guys don't want to worry about controls spinning, so they drill. Others are willing to leave small details to chance, or maybe, or mine didn't spin.  Me I prefer to do things as close to factory specs.  There is a reason an engineer designed it that way.  Why take unnecessary chances? Just my 2 cts. 

[DarkStaR]

Some guys don't want to worry about controls spinning, so they drill. Others are willing to leave small details to chance, or maybe, or mine didn't spin.  Me I prefer to do things as close to factory specs.  There is a reason an engineer designed it that way.  Why take unnecessary chances? Just my 2 cts.  

So you don't plan on doing any mods to your bike?  Every single aspect of your bike was designed by an engineer, so by your logic, you can't change anything!

Wait a minute, all your previous posts have to do with modding the bike?!?

You changed the exhaust, the signals, tail light, and tail?!?  Those were all engineered that way for a reason, and you changed it!?!

Drill the bars?, that's not the way they came from the factory though!?!

There are reasons engineers design things the way they do, and safety is not the only reason.

[scduc]

 There is a reason an engineer designed it that way.    

Don't take this wrong, but engineers for the most part are not the solution. the are part of the problem. Guy's sitting in offices wining and dining customers with the attitude that they know whats right and they are helping the world is a ridiculous notion. Ive played the game for too long. It's the reason that the American auto maker has fallen to the East. They know whats important and what to spend time on. We Americans think every thing is important and waste too much time and energy on the things that really don't matter. "some engineer designed it that way" WOW that statement is blowing my mind. We need engineers, we just need them to listen to the customer.

[jrjoe57]

So you don't plan on doing any mods to your bike?  Every single aspect of your bike was designed by an engineer, so by your logic, you can't change anything!

Wait a minute, all your previous posts have to do with modding the bike?!?

You changed the exhaust, the signals, tail light, and tail?!?  Those were all engineered that way for a reason, and you changed it!?!

Drill the bars?, that's not the way they came from the factory though!?!

There are reasons engineers design things the way they do, and safety is not the only reason.

Nice to see your able to search my posts, impressive.  Are any of these mods causing my controls to spin around?  Is it not safer to have your controls securely mounted? 

[DarkStaR]

Nice to see your able to search my posts, impressive.  Are any of these mods causing my controls to spin around?  Is it not safer to have your controls securely mounted?  

THEY WILL NOT SPIN UNDER NORMAL USE.

Do you have first hand experience to back your argument?  I'm going to guess NO.  

I have set multiple controls using both methods, and I bet most people couldn't tell which was which.  

MV Agusta uses pins for their brake masters, and Ducati doesn't.  Does that mean Ducati's brake masters might spin under normal use?  No, they don't.

Some of those offroad cross country riders leave some of the controls loose on purpose, so they will spin instead of breaking in the middle of no where.



 

[xcaptainxbloodx]

this is getting ridiculous.

NOBODY has come forward saying that they shaved the pins and had the controls spin on their monster. only veloce-fino has had it happen on his "little 70" when he was "younger". the only people saying its unsafe are those that are afraid to shave the pins and thus have no first hand experience with it.


multiple bikes come FACTORY without locating pins. as i said before the pins are there for consistency in placement, the fact that they dont twist is secondary.

  you can shave your pins and securely mount the control. this isnt rocket science.

[mendoje]

When I did my clip-ons, I shaved the pin on the left hand controls.  It doesn't spin, but it isn't tight either.  If you add more tape it just warps the plastic housing and it starts looking like crap, without securing it any further.  I then took the time to drill the holes for the right hand controls.

[Veloce-Fino]

When I did my clip-ons, I shaved the pin on the left hand controls.  It doesn't spin, but it isn't tight either.  If you add more tape it just warps the plastic housing and it starts looking like crap, without securing it any further.  I then took the time to drill the holes for the right hand controls.

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[speedknot]

Ahhgg!  There is a difference between modding and rigging.  Wrapping tape around the bar to shim with the possibility of your controls still spinning is just plain old rigging.  Do it the right way and drill the bar for the nubs. 

Oh, and the manufacturers who make their controls without nubs also make them to properly clamp to the bars.

[671M900]

I had a Suzuki gs650 a while ago, and the stock starter switch housing (also the throttle tue housing) had a locating nub. I ground it off when input new bars on, but it was never as secure. I bought another Suzuki gs switch housing, and it did not have the nub, but was designed differently, with a beefy clamp system.

Maybe nowadays the housings with nubs can be ground off and hold just as well without them, but I highly doubt EVERY control setup on every bike is this way. Im sure some controls wont hold as well eithout the nub, with or without tape to fatten up the bars, and im sure some of them will be perfectly fine. I think the bottom line is: YMMV.

[xcaptainxbloodx]

look, all im saying is that with a little common sense and nohow you can grind the nubs and still secure the switches.

if you are going from stock bar to another that has no adjustability and you would feel more comfortable drilling then go for it.

BUT if you are going to be doing something like clip ons or the various other bars that have multiple useable positions, or you arent able to line up the pins on the first try, then drilling the bars is a BAD idea.  more than 2 or 3 holes and that bar is not going to have the structural strength that it was intended to be used with. IE your switches may not be MADE to mount without pins but not all bars are MADE to have a ton of holes drilled in them.

bottom line is that NEITHER ONE is a good option if you dont know what your doing