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TAftonomos

November 17, 2010, 06:05:42 PM
About 3 years ago I ran Cat6 to each room in the house.  I've been unsucessful in getting the ends correctly terminated/tested in the 3 or 4 times I've screwed with it.

I have good plugs, the correct crimper, and punchdown-toolless female jacks.  I'm not sure where I'm going wrong, but I'm so tired of make the beast with two backsing with it I'd rather just pay someone to come out.

What can I expect a job like that to cost? 

There are 8 cables that need to be made up.

I'm in Atlanta (just south of it)

ducpainter

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November 17, 2010, 06:08:34 PM
I hear data guys are more expensive than electricians.

They also require bananas.  ;D
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ducatiz

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November 17, 2010, 06:09:19 PM Last Edit: November 17, 2010, 06:10:54 PM by ducatiz
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really that hard?
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TAftonomos

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November 17, 2010, 06:12:11 PM
I know the order
I have the tools
For some reason I cannot get a reliable connection.  I do not know why.  Everything looks like it should, I've followed the directions 100% each time.

???

ducatiz

#4
November 17, 2010, 06:13:30 PM
Quote from: TAftonomos on November 17, 2010, 06:12:11 PM
I know the order
I have the tools
For some reason I cannot get a reliable connection.  I do not know why.  Everything looks like it should, I've followed the directions 100% each time.

???

i bet the wires are simply not reaching the crimps in the plugs.  if you are doing it manually, you have to push them in perfectly and crimp perfectly.  half the time when i started doing it, they would miss.  do you have a wire tester so you can figure out which one is not hitting?
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ducpainter

#5
November 17, 2010, 06:14:37 PM
Could it be line noise?

Did you keep the low voltage at least a foot away from line except where they needed to cross?
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TAftonomos

#6
November 17, 2010, 06:16:32 PM
Got the tester.  I'll try/trying it again....

No idea on the line noise...the cable isn't making a good connection so I havn't tried using it at all.  When I ran the cabling I kept it away from any 120v lines, not sure if that is what you are referring to. 

ducpainter

#7
November 17, 2010, 06:21:38 PM
Quote from: TAftonomos on November 17, 2010, 06:16:32 PM
Got the tester.  I'll try/trying it again....

No idea on the line noise...the cable isn't making a good connection so I havn't tried using it at all.  When I ran the cabling I kept it away from any 120v lines, not sure if that is what you are referring to. 
Yes. It needs to be a foot away by code...farther is actually better in real life.

The cat5/6 cable is unshielded and prone to interference from line voltage.
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ducatiz

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November 17, 2010, 06:23:32 PM
Quote from: humorless dp on November 17, 2010, 06:21:38 PM
Yes. It needs to be a foot away by code...farther is actually better in real life.

The cat5/6 cable is unshielded and prone to interference from line voltage.

unless he got shielded type.  we used that for the house.  shielded, plenum cat 6.

of course, now we have wireless.   [laugh] 

i've been toying with the idea of running DC over the unused wires.  there is a spec for DC over ethernet.  I think they most they get thru it is 48v
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#9
November 17, 2010, 06:26:02 PM
Quote from: ducatiz on November 17, 2010, 06:23:32 PM
unless he got shielded type.  we used that for the house.  shielded, plenum cat 6.

of course, now we have wireless.   [laugh] 

i've been toying with the idea of running DC over the unused wires.  there is a spec for DC over ethernet.  I think they most they get thru it is 48v
He may have. I can't imagine the price.

48v on that stuff?

All the DC I did as a wire monkey used 10 awg and that was just 12v emergency lighting.
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TAftonomos

#10
November 17, 2010, 06:27:05 PM
Not shielded, was just confused as I didn't think 120v was low :)

We have wireless too....but trying to stream anything like a BluRay or play PS3 is futile via wireless (at least the BR streaming doesn't work worth a shit).

TAftonomos

#11
November 17, 2010, 06:36:10 PM
I'm going to try and find some punch down jacks locally.  I just tried to re-reinstall one (as the plug looks PERFECT).  Now 3 out of the 4 pairs are a no-connect, and with the way this make the beast with two backsing plug is made you cannot actually see the connections after you snap it down.

I've got a punch-down tool, so I might as well get some punch down jacks and try that.  Or just get a quote, write a check, and go work one something else.


Any ideas?  $20 a cable maybe?

ducpainter

#12
November 17, 2010, 06:41:17 PM
Quote from: TAftonomos on November 17, 2010, 06:27:05 PM
Not shielded, was just confused as I didn't think 120v was low :)

We have wireless too....but trying to stream anything like a BluRay or play PS3 is futile via wireless (at least the BR streaming doesn't work worth a shit).
The network cable is considered the low voltage in this case.

120v is line voltage. Line workers laugh at 120. They consider 120 low voltage.

I guess when you work with 480v and up it is.
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TAftonomos

#13
November 17, 2010, 06:49:03 PM
Gotcha :D

In any case, I ran it away from any 120/240 lines...

Gotta be these damn sockets....

the_Journeyman

#14
November 17, 2010, 07:47:26 PM
Keep Cat-ANYTHING away from power.  I've had no problems running the cat 3 (yeah, ancient, I know) for basic internet all over the house.  I also stay away from the electric wiring.  Some are punched, some are crimped, some are screwed into a jack piece.  All work as expected.  Just don't expect Windows 7, Vista and XP to play nice.

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