Isle of Mann Supermono on Shmee-Bay

[fastwin]

I respectfully disagree. At least not with me.

[Drunken Monkey]

^^^ What he said.

Witness all the raving by the moto journos over the various KTM single cylinder street models.

I'm telling you, a decent 55-60 HP (65-70 tuned) sportbike that weighed 300 lbs would sell.

[derby]

^^^ What he said.

Witness all the raving by the moto journos over the various KTM single cylinder street models.

I'm telling you, a decent 55-60 HP (65-70 tuned) sportbike that weighed 300 lbs would sell.

...especially if there was a racing series built around it. 

[Rameses]

It's cool and all...but like someone on duc.ms said:

If Ducati had produced these for the masses it would be a forgotten poor mans' 65hp SS.

Except that a SS weighs 50% more.

[Bishamon]

I don't so much want this bike (well not at more than $75K) as someone to build another (mass produced) bike of this ilk.

WHY WHY WHY doesn't some manufacturer build another sport single like this?  

[fastwin]

Build it!!

[Triple J]

It's cool and all...

...but I'd rather have an NCR Millona or a Pierobon F042, and spend the money I saved on trackdays.

[Spidey]

I'm telling you, a decent 55-60 HP (65-70 tuned) sportbike that weighed 300 lbs would sell.

At what price point?

$10k or less -- yup. 

$15k -- Not really. 

[Cloner]

It's cool and all...but like someone on duc.ms said:

If Ducati had produced these for the masses it would be a forgotten poor mans' 65hp SS.

That actually makes 75 horsepower and weighs 260 pounds.  Wait........900SS of that era....80 hp, 425 pounds.....let's see.....

Supermono....3.5 pounds per horse
SS....5.3 pounds per horse

How about a 916 of 1995 vintage? ..... 114 horses at nearly 450 pounds....that's 3.9 horses per pound!

See why it was a big deal, now?  Better power to weight than the contemporary, but later, 916, but lighter so it handles better!

You can't beat light for a racer, unless you make it light and strong.  Those are better numbers than a two-stroke TZ250 racer of the same era!

[Drunken Monkey]

At what price point?

$10k or less -- yup. 

$15k -- Not really. 

Alas, the short, hairy one has a point:

Modern manufacturing is mostly about labor, not materials. So while you save some money (actually a lot) building a single, unless the bike uses lower quality components, the rest of the bike costs close to the same as it's higher displacement counterpart.

The KTM Duke/SM models aren't exactly cheap, so they are forced to build something that fits into the special "SuperMoto" category, rather than compete directly with sportbikes.

Thanks for killing my dreams Spidey 

Mind you, I'm going to keep the dream of someday building my own 

[TAftonomos]

You are kinda preaching to the choir about lightness to me.

My point was it's got an inflated value because of it's extremely limited production coupled with the racing history.  The racing bit IS important, but the only reason it's 75k+ is because they didn't make more than 60 something. 

[Monsterlover]

I thought Id seen them sell the thirty's before.

 Maybe I'm wrong.

[derby]

I thought Id seen them sell the thirty's before.

 Maybe I'm wrong.

when they were new. 

[Monsterlover]

Maybe, but I think the last one that came up on ebay that had the forums all active was in the $35,000 range and I can't remember if it sold it not.

[Speeddog]

Got to $75.1k but didn't meet reserve.