Lowside (mulholland strikes again!)

[duccarlos]

His shoe came off

[Slide Panda]

From the youtube notes- a bit of skin did too. No real gear present.

[The Bearded Duc]

From the youtube notes- a bit of skin did too. No real gear present.

Its a shame, these guys will never learn. I get that they probably look at us, the guys who wear full leathers, like we're idiots but they have to have some idea that jeans and sneakers will not even protect you from road rash. Notice how the guy in the first vid got up and continued to ride after his crash? I'd like to argue that the leathers had something to do with that.

And what's with the rag hanging out of his jeans pocket, possibly falling out and getting caught in the rear tire?

And I guess the flat brimmed ball cap tucked into the grab handle of the rear seat is some sort of "cool" thing, god I hate that. Buy a tail bag.

What am I talking about, forget everything I just said.......

[BastrdHK]

So, lets analyze a bit.  What were the causes? 

R1 guy clearly does not counter steer, watch the slowmo close up and he is trying to turn the bars like a steering wheel.  You can actually see the front wheel start to skip before he low sides.

It is harder to tell with the CBR, but it looks like a similar cause, neither touches the front brake.

I love how the CBR guy jumps on the bike and just takes off, no checking to see if all the controls operate properly, fluid leaking, BRAKES work, etc...."I'm good, let me try to immediately earn back credibility by barreling into the first few turns to show I CAN ride."   

[Slide Panda]

R1 guys body position doesn't help him at all. He's at least dead center in the saddle, and perhaps (hard to tell) leaning is upper body out of the turn a touch. Arms are long and his torso is up, raising the center of gravity. So his body position forced more lean on the bike than necessary... and flagging a knee in jeans - that had to hurt.

[El-Twin]

R1 guy clearly does not counter steer, watch the slowmo close up and he is trying to turn the bars like a steering wheel.  You can actually see the front wheel start to skip before he low sides.

Or else he actually WAS countersteering, but he was too heavy with the input, kicking him down instead of standing him back up.

[BastrdHK]

Where do you see counter steer?  The front is turned to the inside of the turn as he goes down!

[$Lindz$]

Where do you see counter steer?  The front is turned to the inside of the turn as he goes down!

Have you ever lost the front on your bike? That's what happens. The second you lose traction on the front wheel it slams "into" the turn as you lowside.

[Triple J]

Have you ever lost the front on your bike? That's what happens. The second you lose traction on the front wheel it slams "into" the turn as you lowside.

True...

...but looks to me like he was trying to steer around the corner before the front lost traction. He was nowhere near enough lean angle for the front to just let go.

[$Lindz$]

True...

...but looks to me like he was trying to steer around the corner before the front lost traction. He was nowhere near enough lean angle for the front to just let go.

BOOM, totally eating my crow. I didn't bother watching the slow mo, to me it just looked like he tried to lean the bike over as he was counter-weighting with his horrible BP. That's such a common occurrence up there. Watched the slow mo and it definitely does look like he just tried to add steering. What an idiot.

[Grampa]

Im not horrible.

[Slide Panda]

Inexperience totals a bike. From the post "Rider with three weeks experience goes wide into the guardrail on his first visit and first run up Mulholland."

New Rider Hits Guardrail - Motorcycle Crash 2/24/2013

And almost a two-fer. No idea what started that beyond paic. The scrape marks (see 1:10) start in the straight. Video notes say "A Regular rider up here loses the front on the downhill"

Stars & Stripes Motorcycle Crash Feb 23, 2013

[thought]

gj on that guy in the second video not target fixating and slamming into the bike... you see him look at it and then look right past and through the turn.

[Slide Panda]

gj on that guy in the second video not target fixating and slamming into the bike... you see him look at it and then look right past and through the turn.

This guy, not so good with the target fixation - and his was just some rocks - not a an interesting thing like a crashing bike

Target Fixation - R6 Motorcycle Crash March 2, 2013

[Skybarney]

Going uphill on that turn is a giant rock on the right hand side of the road.  Back when I was but a young canyon racer we called that rock "Target Rock".  It has caused many a rider to look in the wrong place and go wide.  Many years ago a CHP on a bike hit it while chasing another bike up the hill.