Carrozzeria wheels?

[atomic410]

anyone have a pair?  what do you think of them?  How did they bolt up?  easy?  Any problems? quality?

[Travman]

I put Carrozzeria's wheels on my M1000 about 2 years ago.  Here's a link to a thread about it.  Pictures on page 2. 
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=24868.0

There were no problems bolting them up.  You do have to run one of the rear sprockets that they want you to use.  That was the only thing I can remember which was different.  Quality seems really good.  I haven't had any problems with the wheels.  They've held up really nice.  They look as good as they day I got them. 

[zooom]

I know "twolanefun" has a set on his ST3 and a set of Dymag Carbon/Mag combo wheels on his S2R1K....I think he got em both from Ducpond and I know that Donnie has been selling the Carrozzeria's for a couple/few years now with little to no problems...

[atomic410]

looks like they are about 8-10lbs less a set than stock.  its hard to say since everyone weighs them differently, some with drives some without.  march's seem to be about the same for about 25% more $.

[junior varsity]

looks like they are about 8-10lbs less a set than stock.  its hard to say since everyone weighs them differently, some with drives some without.  march's seem to be about the same for about 25% more $.

i think that the measurements showed that carrozzeria's were the heavier of the aftermarket/performance alu wheels, but priced accordingly and substantially lighter than the OEM. Especially the 3-spoke heavy mofo's from the 90's.

iirc, weight and price go like this:

weight, lightest to heaviest

carbon (bst, dymag)
carbon-mag (dymag)
forged mag (OZ, Marvic, Marchesini)
cast mag
forged alu (lightest OZ --> Marchesini --> Carrozzeria heaviest)



oem 5 spokes and other cast alu wheels




last place: brembo 3 spoke with the fattest part of the spoke by the tire.

From motowheels/monster parts data gathering:

748-998 wheels:
BST Race CF w/ Ti doodads: Front: 4.4 lbs; Rear: 5.28 lbs
BST Street CF w/ SS doodads: Front: 4.62 lbs; Rear: 5.94 lbs.
OZ Forged Mag/Alu: Front: 7.25 lb., Rear: 8.50 lb. (Same number reported for both alu and mag, so not clear)
Carrozzeria Forged Alu: 7.5 lbs (front), 10.2 lbs (rear)

Ducati 999 Rear Wheel:
Marchesini Forged Magnesium Rear Wheel – 8.60lbs
OZ Forged Alum Rear Wheel – 10.65lbs
Marchesini Forged Alum Rear Wheel – 12.35lbs

DSS Monsters:
Carrozzeria Forged Alu: 7.8 lbs (front), 13.4 lbs (rear)

[Travman]

I can verify the Carrozzeria weights for DSS Monsters listed above.  We did weigh the stock 2005 M1000 3 spoke wheels versus the my new Carrozzeria wheels with the cush drives on the rears.  The stock front wheel was approximately 10.2 lbs.  The Carrozzeria front wheel was 7.9 lbs.  The stock rear wheel was 18.8 lbs.  The Carrozzeria rear wheel was 13.4lbs.  That adds up to a total of 7.7 lbs.  We took pictures of all the wheels on the scales.  

[junior varsity]

iirc, those 3 spokers are lighter still than the older 3 spokes because of which way the spokes flare out.

RichD has done this comparison when upgrading front end on the PugglePod

[atomic410]

for 25% less I can deal with the extra pound or 2 since i'm still well ahead of the stockers.  i weighed the rear on my race bike that had a slick on it and with rotor, no drive it was more than the 30lbs that my scale went up to.  the tire weighs about 9lbs so i'm guessing that yes the stock is around 19-20 lbs. with drive.  like i was saying its hard to know what the wheel weighs exactly because some places just weigh the wheel lacking bearings an d some weigh the whole deal, drive, bearings and spacer. 8lbs of rotating mass loss is big.  unless anyone wants to buy me  a set of marvics

[koko64]

i think that the measurements showed that carrozzeria's were the heavier of the aftermarket/performance alu wheels, but priced accordingly and substantially lighter than the OEM. Especially the 3-spoke heavy mofo's from the 90's.

iirc, weight and price go like this:

weight, lightest to heaviest

carbon (bst, dymag)
carbon-mag (dymag)
forged mag (OZ, Marvic, Marchesini)
cast mag
forged alu (lightest OZ --> Marchesini --> Carrozzeria heaviest)



oem 5 spokes and other cast alu wheels




last place: brembo 3 spoke with the fattest part of the spoke by the tire.

From motowheels/monster parts data gathering:

I have thought about taking the risk with picking up some second hand cast magnesium wheels, and nearly had some OZ wheels, but the tax return didn't come thru as I planned.

The wheels on my '95 M900 come last. They are beautiful I reckon, but bloody heavy.

I have taken enough sprung weight off the bike for the heavy wheels to be bullying the rest of the bike regarding handling. I have removed 11kgs of sprung weight. In other words the sprung to unsprung weight ratio is right out of whack.
I would gain just with lighter OEM from a later model.

Oh well, it's only a street bike (I keep telling myself).

[badgalbetty]

many moons ago when Norton was based in Oregon, they used these wheels on the prototypes. They are of good quality and are light. I am not sure if the UK manufacturer is still using them. I do know that BST's were fitted as well at some point during the prototyping process for product validation. Options options options.........all you need is money.

[junior varsity]

I put a BST front on my M900.  Completely different motorcycle - pushing it over in turns was intuitive rather than a hassle, just really 100% "easier". But I gotta save up the small fortune for the rear to match. I'm certainly a believer in lightweight wheels. And I cannot discount the carrozzeria wheels as not being effective because they are also gobs lighter than stock.  Something like the carrozzerias and then maybe the oz Alu have appeal to me - I don't see any reason to outright purchase the marchesini forged alu wheels since the OZ came out. Then after that is the price jump and weight drop to those mag wheels and carbon.


Anybody know how other brands stack up? Like PVM?

[corey]

correct me if i'm wrong, but Dymag is no longer in existence as a company/mfg, right?

[junior varsity]

Apparently they are back up and running. So I saw recently. With website but no products yet listed for motos.

[ducpainter]

The Carrozeria wheels are a good value.

The only thing I didn't like about the set I handled was that the studs for the sprocket were too long and they ground them off at the factory to avoid hitting the swing arm.

Kind of a hack way to present an otherwise quality product.

[junior varsity]

Guess they gotta save a buck somewheres.

I used to "understand" the price discrepancy between the marchesini forged aluminum wheels and the carrozzerias, with the weight differences and such, but then the OZ wheels came out and cost the same but weigh less and got rave reviews in the mags, I don't see how Marchesinis can be priced the same and expected to sell. I suppose some people want the same wheel as on an "S" model, but I doubt that many are so picky when confronted with a dollar/performance option that's more favorable.