Monster 848R Concept

[thought]

one thing i wish they did on the sf is make it with a red frame... i think it would look great with it across all the colors they offer.

[duccarlos]

I personally believe that they built the SF for the same reason they built the Hyper or the Multi. It was to fill what Ducati thought was a void in the market. The SF has no bearing on what will or wont happen to the monster. Clearly these are two different bikes and should be considered that way. The SF is a naked SB and the monster is a monster. Water cooled or not has nothing to do with what will or will not happen to the monster. That statment is like saying that Ducati has a liquid cooled bike so they should not build any other liquid cooled bike because that will just compete against itself. If anything, the SF is (would compete) more with the 1198. Which is what it basically is.


I personally would like to see an 848 Monster. its the next logical step.

It's a good thing that Triple J can answer things in so restraint fashion. Using your logic Ducati's SBKs don't compete with Japanese liter bikes because they have 2 cylinders and the Japanese bikes have 4. Wow, just wow.

[DucatiTorrey]

wheres the snoring emoticon? im pissed im subscribed to this... whatever, i hate the diavel, but they are making it.i understand there are reasons they "wont" make an 848 sf, but we never thought ducati would even make a diavel. (someone else already made this point) This will be funny when we are all arguing about this, and ducati makes a scooter in the mean time.

keep going guys.

[duccarlos]

I still like the 848 SF idea.

[csorin]

one thing i wish they did on the sf is make it with a red frame... i think it would look great with it across all the colors they offer.

Looks like they just did this year:

2011 Streetfighter S



And here's one for sale on another forum where the guy powdercoated his frame red:



Gotta say though, my favorite is the 2010 S with the bronze frame:

[muskrat]

someone photoshop that exhaust outa there.

[thought]

nice... now it's too bad they took the white model out of there... haha, my current fave color combo is the white with red frame.  the 848 evo looks awesome in it too.

[DRKWNG]

I do like the SF, however the ergo's really do not fit well for the ageing. 

Really?  A buddy of mine back in Hawaii puts all kinds of miles on his SF and he's in his 70s.

I think the aggressive siting position of the SF is what really turns people off. You need a lot of weight on the front to keep it on the ground.

You should try the Super Duke.   

[jvax]

And here's one for sale on another forum where the guy powdercoated his frame red:

Now that's nice.  My fav color combo 

[geoffduc]

I think that a 848 evo engined SF would be idle but I don't think ducati will build it as the cost would be almost the same as the current 1098 SF, thats why I eventually pulled the trigger and got myself a new SFs... [moto]

 

[DucatiTorrey]

i like it, the bronze is amazing too. white with bronze 

i dont mind the exhaust though, though i have seen some sick underseat models!

[thought]

the more and more i think about it... the more and more i think that the sf will eventually be cut from the lineup.

the prob is that i think everyone looks at the sf for the performance potential more than the looks...  and almost everyone agrees that the monster is the better looking bike.  for a comparison, i would say that the monster is like a porsche cayman and the sf is a nissan skyline... while the skyline is respected for it's sheer ridiculous performance, the cayman will probably get you laid faster.

and i mean... in terms of sales volume... i'm sure that every person here would start to save up for a water cooled monster asap but not really have the drive to save up for a sf.  the sf seems to be more like something you would get if you happened to find it as a great price... but in the end, you would still want a water cooled monster.

right now, the sf makes sense from a production outlook as it's just a lightly modified 1098... much like the orig monster, it's been cobbled together out of another bike.  but once the new sbk comes out with a new frame in 2012, the sf has till they update the 848 to the new frame till it's the only old trellis sbk frame left in the lineup.  and at that point, they can either remake it out of the new sbk frame, or just drop it into the monster... which again, is always their best selling bike.  and from a fiscal standpoint... it just makes a whole lot more sense to go monster.

[LayneK]

nice... now it's too bad they took the white model out of there... haha, my current fave color combo is the white with red frame.  the 848 evo looks awesome in it too.

good call! love the white evo with red frame and wheels, would be awesome to have that to go along with the my monster... maybe some day

[duccarlos]

They would have to redesign the Monster frame to drop the engine into it. So let's look at what makes more sense:

A) Drop the current model. Hack up your best seller that fit this engine. Sell it to a relatively few people because the price would shoot up.

B) Keep you current models and simply swap out similar engines.

This is where I'm going to get blasted. Ducati should never had created the S4. That was a hack job. It sold well because there was a huge market for it. The engine completely kills the looks. Performance wise, you're better going with a Speed Triple, which was designed from the beginning with the motor in mind. Putting an 848 motor in a Monster would ruin what a Monster is supposed to be, an air cooled clean naked bike. If you don't like the looks of the SF, mod it. Even better, complain to Ducati. They killed the 999 because people thought it was ugly. They should have killed it because it was heavy and didn't perform as well as the 998. If you're going to get rid of a bike, do it for the right reasons. If you replace the SF because you think the Monster looks better, then frankly, you are a poser. If you believe that the Monster will perform better with an 848 motor than an 848 SF, then you're just ignorant.

[thought]

They would have to redesign the Monster frame to drop the engine into it.

didnt someone drop a watercooled testastretta into a new monster frame without hacking it up?  i think it's the same guy that is bringing in the radical ducati parts... and his bike looked pretty hot with a watercooled engine in it

A) Drop the current model. Hack up your best seller that fit this engine. Sell it to a relatively few people because the price would shoot up.

wouldnt they then just be selling it to everyone who wants a more comfortable and more powerful bike?  and if they drop the sf... then wouldnt they just be selling to the same exact crowd that they were selling to before?  at about the same price point?

B) Keep you current models and simply swap out similar engines.

but what about the cost of producing the frame instead of just parts sharing with current bikes?  right now, there are 5 basic ducati frames (sbk, mts, diavel, monster, hym) that i can think of, and each frame caters to a certain market.  the only double up is the monster/sf... and once they switch to the new sbk frame, in order to keep the sf, they'll have to keep producing 6 diff frames or totally modify the sf into the new sbk frame.

and i've never said that it was merely being replaced for looks, the reason i can see it being replaced is that it makes more sense financially to just watercool a monster to grow that market vs spending the development money on redesigning the sf or keep producing the old sbk frame for it.

ducati is a business... and they'll soon be faced with the choice of upgrading their best selling bike or upgrading a bike that tends to polarize most of the people who look at it into love it/hate it.

plus... we all have ducatis. >.<  haha, this means we're all basically posers are heart.