MotoGP Rnd 2-Jerez <SPOILERS>

[zooom]

Or Indianapolis....wait, that was a hurricane 

yeah, and there were lakes forming on the track...but it was fun sitting in the seats that I did and watch the Yamaha tent blow over and the sillyness ensue...

[Triple J]

and IMHO ( and I know I am in the minority on this) I am not a Rossi fanboy and not taking his side per sey, but it wasn't a dick move or a douche move, but a racing move that just didn't work due to the a-typical Ducati front end for which it just happened...Rossi was moving well past Stoner at that point and there were many other guys who made that EXACT same move/pass and just stuck it...so it wasn't really that unreasonable....now, if Val had not been as far past him and was say, still side by side pushing him outward or even if Stoner had a wheel's worth of an edge in front of him and it happened, I'd be saying something different...but I don't think it was an unreasonable move at all, especially given how much room there was between them before his front end folded...it just didn't hold and Casey became collateral damage...

No one had made that exact same move...Rossi came from WAY back on the straight and tried to outbrake him. I don't think it was a Ducati front end crash, but rather a braking mistake (i.e. too deep into the corner for a wet track). Rossi admitted as much. Looked like he was fighting going wide anyway. Seemed like a rookie move to me...he'd have passed him in the next few corners if he would have just been patient. Silly move for that early in the race IMO.

[duccarlos]

yeah, and there were lakes forming on the track...but it was fun sitting in the seats that I did and watch the Yamaha tent blow over and the sillyness ensue...

I almost flew off the bleachers.

No one had made that exact same move...Rossi came from WAY back on the straight and tried to outbrake him. I don't think it was a Ducati front end crash, but rather a braking mistake (i.e. too deep into the corner for a wet track). Rossi admitted as much. Seemed like a rookie move to me...he'd have passed him in the next few corners if he could have just waited. It's racing though...he probably thought he had him until it was too late.

+1 Still a rookie mistake. You know the Duc has sketchy front end. You also know you're faster than the guy. Wait a few corners and pick your spot.

[OT]

Hopefully not a derby

http://motomatters.com/analysis/2011/04/03/2011_jerez_motogp_race_day_round_up_the_.html

[gm2]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90429

he came in too hot & wasn't intending to try and pass him at the time.  also stoner heard him coming and moved over.  

clearly he wouldn't have gone over and apologized if he didn't know he screwed up but even stoner has said it was just a racing incident.

[duccarlos]

Hopefully not a derby

http://motomatters.com/analysis/2011/04/03/2011_jerez_motogp_race_day_round_up_the_.html

Great read.

[kopfjäger]

"Valentino Rossi's desperation at the deficit Ducati has caused the Italian to make a stupid move, the kind of move Rossi hasn't tried for several years."

[fastwin]

Great read.

+1!! Indeed, very insightful.

[OT]

And more...

http://www.waynegardnerapproved.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=62&Itemid=511

FWIW, after hearing the audio of the 'meeting' on YouTube, I'm starting to wonder if Casey just chose his words poorly....

He calmly and seemingly sincerely asked VR "how's your shoulder?" (twice) and then quickly uttered the infamous "ambition....talent" comment, by which he might have meant "desire (to ride well again after major shoulder surgery).....ability (to do same while shoulder is less than 100%)".  

Since English (let alone Oz English) isn't Rossi's native language, it's feasible that he could have been miffed by Stoner's comments 'cause he has few linguistic references to fall back on (or am I just thinking too much?).  Wonder what Burgess said to him afterwards...

Bottom line (to me) is that no championship rider deliberately crashes - alone or in front of someone else.  Rossi knows first-hand (shoulder, leg) about the pain and suffering....although it looked like he was enjoyig bumping bikes with Lorenzo last year

[The Don]

I know this is on the Oz monster forum site, just another opinion
http://www.foxsports.com.au/motor-sports/moto-gp/australian-motogp-ace-casey-stoner-was-right-to-respond-to-valentino-rossis-apology-with-derision/story-fn2ms4i4-1226033228140

[swampduc]

Your impression makes sense to me. Then again, even if Casey did mean his comment to be harsh, I wouldn't blame him. For a championship contender to drop 25 to his chief rival when he was fast has to smart. And on top of that, he has to deal with the complete fiasco of how the cornerworkers handled the situation. This significantly hurts Stoner's chances for an overall win. Glad to gea him trying to move on to the next round.

And I'd love to hear how different the feeling on this board would be if Rossi had taken out, say, the Ben.

[DoubleEagle]

Boys will be boys sometimes !

Those 2 included.

Dolph     

[derby]

And more...

http://www.waynegardnerapproved.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=62&Itemid=511

FWIW, after hearing the audio of the 'meeting' on YouTube, I'm starting to wonder if Casey just chose his words poorly....

He calmly and seemingly sincerely asked VR "how's your shoulder?" (twice) and then quickly uttered the infamous "ambition....talent" comment, by which he might have meant "desire (to ride well again after major shoulder surgery).....ability (to do same while shoulder is less than 100%)".   

Since English (let alone Oz English) isn't Rossi's native language, it's feasible that he could have been miffed by Stoner's comments 'cause he has few linguistic references to fall back on (or am I just thinking too much?).  Wonder what Burgess said to him afterwards...

Bottom line (to me) is that no championship rider deliberately crashes - alone or in front of someone else.  Rossi knows first-hand (shoulder, leg) about the pain and suffering....although it looked like he was enjoyig bumping bikes with Lorenzo last year

fwiw, i saw this happen during the live coverage and, english being my first language, i got the impression that the entire exchange from stoner's side was indeed sarcastic.

"is your shoulder ok? you hurt your shoulder?" with a patronizing pat on his injured shoulder.

[Triple J]

And I'd love to hear how different the feeling on this board would be if Rossi had taken out, say, the Ben.

I don't think anyone is defending Rossi's move...they're just saying that Stoner came off looking like a tool with his response. It obviously wasn't on purpose, but it defintely was a dumb mistake. FWIW, Stoner's later comments on the incident have been more reasonable. I think he just needed some time to cool down. He seems to mainly be mad at the corner workers.

When Hayden was taken out by Pedrosa he didn't have any similar comments, and when Spies was taken out by Fabrizio he didn't either. IIRC, Spies just said that Fabrizio needed to ride smarter and save the risky passes for later in the race. The incidents with Hayden and Spies also happened much later in the season when the DNF was a much bigger deal for them. Stoner still has plenty of time to recover.

[lazylightnin717]

I'm pretty sure that the corner workers would have had to push Stoner up and over a hill into turn 2 to be able to get that Honda running again. Maybe a downside to their new transmission? Also, there was some concern that in doing that, he would be crossing directly into the race line