MotoGP Rnd 2-Jerez <SPOILERS>

[mitt]

fwiw, i saw this happen during the live coverage and, english being my first language, i got the impression that the entire exchange from stoner's side was indeed sarcastic.

"is your shoulder ok? you hurt your shoulder?" with a patronizing pat on his injured shoulder.

I am also english first, but I took the opposite impression - that it was sincere.  It could be your frame of reference for what you were thinking would happen, or maybe your environment (me in friendly midwest, you being west coast)?

[derby]

I am also english first, but I took the opposite impression - that it was sincere.  It could be your frame of reference for what you were thinking would happen, or maybe your environment (me in friendly midwest, you being west coast)?

i'm from texas.   

...and what i was "thinking would happen" doesn't support your theory.   

[gm2]

I don't think anyone is defending Rossi's move...they're just saying that Stoner came off looking like a tool with his response. It obviously wasn't on purpose, but it defintely was a dumb mistake. FWIW, Stoner's later comments on the incident have been more reasonable. I think he just needed some time to cool down. He seems to mainly be mad at the corner workers.

When Hayden was taken out by Pedrosa he didn't have any similar comments, and when Spies was taken out by Fabrizio he didn't either. IIRC, Spies just said that Fabrizio needed to ride smarter and save the risky passes for later in the race. The incidents with Hayden and Spies also happened much later in the season when the DNF was a much bigger deal for them. Stoner still has plenty of time to recover.

 

the only thing i'd add is that rossi was originally intending to go wide on the outside, which would have lead to a very typical running wide scenario.  only, stoner heard someone coming and moved over a bit.  not a dick move amount, but enough to let them by.  but it was late enough that it ~forced rossi to the inside... where there wasn't enough time/room to scrub enough speed.  in the rain.

shit happens.

and even if stoner was totally being sarcastic (probably was), he gets to be in that instance.  he wasn't pissed at rossi as if he had swept the leg, but he did get tossed from the race.  he gets to be not totally happy about it.

[gm2]

i'm from texas.   

you aren't supporting your argument 

[OT]

I've visited Texas a few times.....also decided not to stay

Poor #46 - I think he was so elated to finally get the bike to fly like the wind that he forgot about the puddles....

[Cider]

When Hayden was taken out by Pedrosa he didn't have any similar comments, and when Spies was taken out by Fabrizio he didn't either. IIRC, Spies just said that Fabrizio needed to ride smarter and save the risky passes for later in the race. The incidents with Hayden and Spies also happened much later in the season when the DNF was a much bigger deal for them. Stoner still has plenty of time to recover.

IIRC, when Elias took Rossi out in the same corner in '06, Rossi joked that perhaps next time, Elias would be kind enough to take out one of his rivals  .

Edit: found the quote:

"We knew this was going to be a difficult race but maybe not so difficult! I saw Toni come up on the inside and he hit me; this is racing and these things happen. I have known Toni for many years and he is a good rider. He apologised to me after the race so I told him not to worry - only to remember to brake next time and if it is too late then to hit another bike instead of me! Anyway I came back on the track and had a nice battle with Alex Hofmann. I am disappointed because I wanted to win the first race of the season but there is nothing we can do now. Only work hard to make sure we don't have these problems again and look forward to the next race in Qatar."

[gm2]

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Apr/110404versus.htm

[OT]

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Apr/110404versus.htm

 
  

[ducpainter]

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Apr/110404versus.htm

yes...

it...

is.

[Spidey]

I've been busy that last coupla days, and haven't followed the last 10 pages.  

Did something happen with Rossi and Stoner?!?   

[fastwin]

I've been busy that last coupla days, and haven't followed the last 10 pages. 

Did something happen with Rossi and Stoner?!?

Yes.

Also meant to post this yesterday.

http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2011/04/04/meeting-scheduled-for-rossi-stoner-incident

[gm2]

http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2011/04/04/meeting-scheduled-for-rossi-stoner-incident

note that the hearing is re the marshals not the racers

[ducpainter]

note that the hearing is re the marshals not the racers

Yet he still 'sounds' whiney.

It's completely unfair ... but riders up against Rossi have to learn to deal with this.

[Spidey]

HRC should pay for 1/2 of the marshalls for the rest of the season if they're going to run that gearbox. 

[fastwin]

Or their riders need to keep the clutch pins that are needed for an easier push start duct taped to their leathers.