MotoGP Rnd 2-Jerez <SPOILERS>

[Jester]

When he wins 7 or so titles he won't have to wait for a push....will he?

He still lacks the endearing qualities that make people like him.  Its not his talent, its just the way he goes about handling media situations and the general public perception.  He had every right to be pissed, but unfortunately he comes out of it looking like the bad guy for one reason or the other, even though none of this was his fault.

Hell the announcers on the motogp feed said "get a camera crew down there, we want to see this" or something of that effect when they heard Rossi was on his way to Stoner's garage.  The media circus around Rossi is fed not only by him, but by everyone involved.  He's the rockstar, and there isn't anything you can do about it.

[The Don]

Your right about not handling the media well, it seems that Australian racers need to take a course in dealing with the media before they leave the country. Stoner, Doohan, Gardner, all had problems with the media and European crowds.
I read an article on Stoner not long ago and said something to the effect that all he wants to do is race and then go fishing or hunting and leave the spot lights to the Europeans.

[Stinky Wizzleteats]

Yeah, I read the same article. He was living in Monaco but just couldn't handle living there. It said that every spare moment he can get, he goes fishing or bow hunting at his??? Property in country NSW.

He is not a media darling, and as was said, a fair few Australian racers weren't either. They only want to race, not the BS that goes with it.

[ducpainter]

He still lacks the endearing qualities that make people like him.  Its not his talent, its just the way he goes about handling media situations and the general public perception.  He had every right to be pissed, but unfortunately he comes out of it looking like the bad guy for one reason or the other, even though none of this was his fault.

Hell the announcers on the motogp feed said "get a camera crew down there, we want to see this" or something of that effect when they heard Rossi was on his way to Stoner's garage.  The media circus around Rossi is fed not only by him, but by everyone involved.  He's the rockstar, and there isn't anything you can do about it.

He's far more likable than say....Mladin, to me anyway.

Yeah, I read the same article. He was living in Monaco but just couldn't handle living there. It said that every spare moment he can get, he goes fishing or bow hunting at his??? Property in country NSW.

He is not a media darling, and as was said, a fair few Australian racers weren't either. They only want to race, not the BS that goes with it.

Raw talent alone does not make for fans. Everyone knows Casey has as much or more of that than anyone on the grid.

Colin Edwards loves nothing better than to go to his ranch and shoot stuff up too. But he knows how to play to the media when it's time.

As far as Aussie racers of the past... I never heard Gardiner or Doohan say...

"This is something that riders who are against Valentino have had to learn to deal with. It's completely unfair,..."

or two sentences later...

"I just think it's completely unfair. There's not enough consistency in the marshalling all around the world. There's got to be consistency with everyone, not hampering someone's race just because of popularity."

Casey...you're right...it isn't fair. Do something about it besides whining.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90428

[pennyrobber]

"This is something that riders who are against Valentino have had to learn to deal with. It's completely unfair,..."

or two sentences later...

"I just think it's completely unfair. There's not enough consistency in the marshalling all around the world. There's got to be consistency with everyone, not hampering someone's race just because of popularity."

Casey...you're right...it isn't fair. Do something about it besides whining.

+1. I can't think of one sport in the world were officiating is completely fair.

[gm2]

...at least this aint FIFA

[duccarlos]

...at least this aint FIFA

Don't get me started on FIFA.

[Triple J]

just rewatched the beginning of the race...Simoncelli's move on Lorenzo was the exact same move in the exact same corner and then a couple corners later he made a similar block pass move on Stoner for to take the lead...then Rossi made a similar block pass manuever on Lorenzo on his way up charging towards Casey....

It may have been the same "move"...but Rossi came from way back, meaning he was carrying too much speed into the corner (lkely more than the other passes you mentioned). That was my point, and why I don't think it was a typical "Duc front end" crash. The fact that you mentioned that Rossi successfully did it earlier demonstrates that his attemp on Stoner (even if it was accidental) was different.

[gm2]

meaning he was carrying too much speed into the corner

...which is exactly what rossi has said

[derby]

...which is exactly what rossi has said

...and stoner "making room for him" took away his escape route.

[OT]

I seem to recall that about a second after that last pic, there was only 1 marshal pushing.

perhaps....I wasn't there either but I think a marshall's first duty is to ensure safety (the rider's and their own, too) on the track.  Once they determine the riders aren't injured then they seem to get the urge to help...but afaik that's not their designated role.

Pic 1 - Rossi on ground and bike on Rossi.  Stoner's bike up with him on it.  Marshalls run to Rossi to make sure rider's not injured.  At that point he's all they're concentrating on.
Pic 2 - Rossi getting up and marshalls, who are still concentrating on Rossi, still concentrate on Rossi (human nature); Stoner on bike and feet on pegs (looking like he's ready to roll).
Pic 2.5 (not shown) - Rossi rides away and most marshall's start walking away while a few look towards Stoner; at that point (not any time earlier) Stoner starts frantically signalling for a push to get bike started
Pic 3 - Five marshalls head towards Stoner's bike.
Pic 3.5 (not shown) - One marshall stays with Stoner

For all we know he may have been yelling epithets at them while waving, in which case I would have walked away, too.  Besides, What sane marshall is going to hang around on the track and get hit by the next bike that hits Rossi's puddle...?

...and stoner "making room for him" took away his escape route.

So, Stoner closed the door on purpose and paid the price... ?  

[The Don]

For all we know he may have been yelling epithets at them while waving, in which case I would have walked away, too.  Besides, What sane marshall is going to hang around on the track and get hit by the next bike that hits Rossi's puddle...?

So, Stoner closed the door on purpose and paid the price... ?  

Both bad assumptions that are made suit your argument, and to make Stoner the bad guy for wanting to win.
I don't get the whole thing of wanting racing to be exciting, but then only wanting certain guys winning, ie the Ben and or Rossi.

[ducpainter]

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I don't get the whole thing of wanting racing to be exciting, but then only wanting certain guys winning, ie the Ben and or Rossi.

You really believe that's what we all want?

[Speeddog]

I think Stoner's comment of 'heard him coming and left him room to pass on the inside' has been totally misconstrued.

Entering the corner, Rossi and Stoner got on the brakes about 8-10 feet from white line at the edge of the track.

As they continued braking, Stoner moved out to about 4 feet from the edge.
He was basically following on Simoncelli's line (Important point!).
Rossi was about 2 lengths behind Stoner, but about 2 feet inside of Stoner.

Braking continues, Stoner keeps moving out, about 2 feet from the edge.
Rossi is about a bike length behind, and about 4 feet inside of Stoner.

At tip-in, Stoner's about a foot from the edge of the track.
Rossi's a bit less than a length behind, but has moved out to maybe 3 feet inside of Stoner.

When Rossi's front wheel starts to overlap Stoner's rear, he's still about 3 feet inside.

When they're side by side, Rossi is still about 3 feet inside of Stoner.
Problem is... Stoner's on the racing line, which is fairly dry.
Rossi is on visibly wet and shiny pavement.

Stoner 'leaves him room' by not pinching his line down.

However, Rossi's on the wet pavement, loses the front, and cleans Stoner out.

From re-watching it a couple times, Rossi committed to the inside line long before Stoner made any move to 'leave him room'.

IMO.

[gm2]

NO IT'S OBVIOUSLY AN ANTI BEN ROSSI CONSPIRACY