GP Riders height & weight

[gm2]

a bit of an exercise but still a very interesting article from DE, as usual:

http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2011/04/13/number_crunching_how_much_of_a_factor_is.html

[sbrguy]

as usual rossi being a complete b*&$#  because he is not winning.

you don't see stoner making up crap like this.

rossi may be the best motogp rider ever, but damn if he isn't a whiny little b*tch when things aren't going his way.

[Cider]

you don't see stoner making up crap like this.

Maybe Hayden would be a better example than Stoner? 

[gm2]

as usual rossi being a complete b*&$#  because he is not winning.

you don't see stoner making up crap like this.

rossi may be the best motogp rider ever, but damn if he isn't a whiny little b*tch when things aren't going his way.

...and then there's that POV .   tbh i don't think i've ever heard rossi whine about anything, ever.

F1 has minimum combined car-driver weight.  i agree bikes are very different and think this probably won't go anywhere, but at least there is a logical precedent.

submitting a proposal to the Safety Commission, informal or not, aint very pregnant dogy.

[OT]

"Deviation" 

[mitt]

you don't see stoner making up crap like this.

Um, what about the 15 pg thread on jerez?  Stoner saying the corner marshals are not fair and should be Christian???


mitt

[Jester]

as usual rossi being a complete b*&$#  because he is not winning.

you don't see stoner making up crap like this.

rossi may be the best motogp rider ever, but damn if he isn't a whiny little b*tch when things aren't going his way.

I guess you haven't followed Stoner much over his career?

[DoubleEagle]

In a way it makes sense , what if I decided I wanted to race professionally and some how made it to MOTOGP.

I'm 6'5" and w. full gear about 275 lbs.



Dolph   

[DoubleEagle]

This is opening an interesting " can of worms ."

Since all the Riders in professional Moto racing have come up through the ranks of either 125cc Grand Prix or like Nicky did from the " Dirt ," it seems like you arrive at the highest level of your proficiency by way of your talent  plus your body makeup.

It's not quite like Thoroughbred Horse Racing where all the Riders are " Jockeyes " of diminutive size, but it is in that being a larger person although having advantages w. the leverage over the mechanical forces of the Physics losses out in the extra weight vs hp and wind resistance.

Just a hypothetical case here.

What if a very talented Athlete like LeBron or Kobe got hurt and couldn't play B"ball anymore and liked to ride bikes.

They decided they wanted to get real good at riding ..so much so that they got good enough to race on a WERA or AMA Superbike level .

Then let's just say for arguments sake , they won enough to go International and won the British super Stock one year and once again for arguments sake they had what it takes to go to WSBK ..excpt they are 6'9" tall and in top shape weigh w. gear 295 lbs.

For all in tense and purposes they wouldn't be competitve due to their size.

Should they be kept out of the Sport because of their size or could there ever be a fair way that they could compete against the " more normal " Riders ?

Dolph     

[zarn02]

It's a can of worms, indeed.

And I'll say, in a blanket statement of fact fit only for the internet, that "this shit don't matter."

There doesn't seem to be any overall correlation between rider weight and winning, and if there were... well... it'd just be an aspect of the sport. I don't see anybody hooking lead weights to horses...

[dgm]

It's a can of worms, indeed.

And I'll say, in a blanket statement of fact fit only for the internet, that "this shit don't matter."

There doesn't seem to be any overall correlation between rider weight and winning, and if there were... well... it'd just be an aspect of the sport. I don't see anybody hooking lead weights to horses...

I agree.  Likewise, there's no way for me to ever compete in the NBA regardless of my skill level.  It's an aspect of the sport. 

[triangleforge]

I don't see anybody hooking lead weights to horses...

Pssst: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handicapping

There's precedent for the idea of balancing machine/driver weights in F1 as well.

All that said, IMO there doesn't seem to be a significant correlation in MotoGP, certainly not enough to be getting out the can opener...

[Raux]

I'd like to see the argument in the context of NASCAR

[Triple J]

If Dorna is going to set a minimum bike weight, then it makes sense that the weight should include the rider, just as it does in F1. There is no reason a larger rider should have a disadvantageous just because he isn't a munchkin.

Dorna also stipulates fuel volume, so a bike with a heavier rider is requiring the motor to move more mass for the entire race distance on the same amount of fuel. That is a disadvantage. A heavier total package also puts more stress on the tires & brakes...another disadvantage, especially considering that Dorna dictates the tires.

There may not be a correlation between rider weight and race wins...but anybody watching the races can agree there is a correlation between starts and rider weight. Pedrossa usually gets spectacular starts.

[zarn02]

Pssst: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handicapping

I don't see anybody hooking lead weights to horses...

"Horses carry lead weights during the course of a race as a form of handicap."

So, turns out I don't know shit about horse racing.

Ignore me, and carry on.