Tactical Shotgun

[Triple J]

Need tactical, or just short barrel?

Probably just short barrel actually, in relation to my previous response.

[ducatiz]

Probably just short barrel actually, in relation to my previous response.

14" short enough?  AOW paperwork is a pain.  $5 for the tax and another $300 for the transfer fee from my FFL.

[rgramjet]

14" short enough?  AOW paperwork is a pain.  $5 for the tax and another $300 for the transfer fee from my FFL.

Me Likey!

Kicking myself for not buying a wind up street sweeper 10 years ago.  That would have been a cool addition to the collection.

[ducatiz]

Me Likey!

Kicking myself for not buying a wind up street sweeper 10 years ago.  That would have been a cool addition to the collection.

and a big make the beast with two backsing pain when the ATF reclassified them as DD's. 

i've fired one and was unimpressed.  they take too long to load, firing is awkward.  give me a pumper anyday over  a street sweeper.

Maybe a Pancor instead, but they don't exist except in video games now.

[silentbob]

so-called "tactical" shotguns are silly imho.  the main reason doughnut-loaded LEOs use them is for intimidation, not for useful functionality.

take a look at the s/gs that the USMC use.  those are REAL tactical shotguns.   simple function, indestructible, and just as lethal as anything with a flashlight,ghost ring sights,adjustable butt and so on.

USMC shotguns:

M1014 (semi/pump)  AKA the Benelli M4 Super 90


Remington 870 (called the M870 MCS - modular combat shotgun)


Mossberg 590



From my information, the Corps allows Marines to modify the 870 and 590 with non-issue stocks and features, so you see a variety of configurations of them (i.e. pistol grips vs regular stock and rail type accessories).

These two posts seem contradictory.

[Sinister]

Good point, bob.  I re-read both and I think that what is billed as "tactical" to the civilian isn't necessarily what is used by warfighters.  That may have been 'tizz's point. 

[ducatiz]

i should have posted some of the LEO type tactical s/gs.  they just have more shit on them that i don't think is generally useful except for scare stuff (i.e. the flashlight which is for blinding ppl) esp for non-LEOs

[lawbreaker]

Maybe something like this.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lOJ0oBNSxPQ

That dude sux...... poor training

[Triple J]

14" short enough?  AOW paperwork is a pain.  $5 for the tax and another $300 for the transfer fee from my FFL.

That would seem to be very effective in home defense. What is AOW paperwork?  I actually don't even know if you can buy short barrel shotguns easily.  Sinister would probably know what we can and can't do here.  Just seems they'd be a great weapon for what I'm looking for.

I've had hunting rifles since I was a kid, and I've had my handgun for a few years (bought it from a friend back in NV)...but I know very little about guns...other than how to shoot them safely. 

[silentbob]

That would seem to be very effective in home defense. What is AOW paperwork?  I actually don't even know if you can buy short barrel shotguns easily.  Sinister would probably know what we can and can't do here.  Just seems they'd be a great weapon for what I'm looking for.

I've had hunting rifles since I was a kid, and I've had my handgun for a few years (bought it from a friend back in NV)...but I know very little about guns...other than how to shoot them safely. 

Any Other Weapon.  If you want a shotgun with a barrel under 18" it is classified as an AOW.

[rgramjet]

i should have posted some of the LEO type tactical s/gs.  they just have more shit on them that i don't think is generally useful except for scare stuff (i.e. the flashlight which is for blinding ppl) esp for non-LEOs

At first glance I thought that was a tactical two barrel rifle simiar to a 3 barrel Drilling!  How cool would that be?

[silentbob]

i should have posted some of the LEO type tactical s/gs.  they just have more shit on them that i don't think is generally useful except for scare stuff (i.e. the flashlight which is for blinding ppl) esp for non-LEOs

flashlight,ghost ring sights,adjustable butt and so on.

But the USMC guns posted above have ghost ring sights, adjustable butt stocks, scope rails, pistol grips, etc.

The only thing they don't have is the flash light, which is probably the only option that would be useful on a home defense shotgun.

[Sinister]

That would seem to be very effective in home defense. What is AOW paperwork?  I actually don't even know if you can buy short barrel shotguns easily.  Sinister would probably know what we can and can't do here.  Just seems they'd be a great weapon for what I'm looking for.

AOW paperwork, like FFL paperwork for fully automatic weapons, are a Federal deal.  I do know of any WA State laws prohibiting ownership of such weapons. 

[Triple J]

AOW paperwork, like FFL paperwork for fully automatic weapons, are a Federal deal.  I do know of any WA State laws prohibiting ownership of such weapons. 

Gotcha.  No thanks.  A co-worker went through the process to own full auto weapons when I worked back in Reno.  Seemed like it was a royal PIA, not to mention expensive.  He got approved though and ended up with some pretty cool weapons, an uzzi and M-16 if I remember correctly.  At the time he wasn't even a citizen...he had just had a green card for ~20 years.  His citizenship was in Norway, and he would have had to give it up to get US citizenship...which he has since done.  I just thought it was interesting they allowed an "alien" to own full auto weapons.

This was all pre 9/11 (1999) though...not sure if the process is any more difficult now. 

[ducatiz]

only the M1014 has an adjustable stock and the MCS recently got rails.  the ghostie sights are only on the sample M870

the stuff I am referring to are :

-  muzzle entry device
-  flashlight/slide device

point is, with a shotgun, there is limited use for an LEO -- they are for room clearing, which is not useful for most situations where innocent ppl will get hurt, which is 90% of LE actions.

the most compelling photo I posted is of the Mossy 590 -- notice it has nothing but ramp sights and a full-capacity magazine --that's what the marine is using, since the rest of the "features" are crap that will break or fall off.

it's a shotgun.

point.  click.  boom..  ouch.