Tactical Shotgun

[DRKWNG]

i am not a fan of laser.  you can see the origin of it, so it is like a "here i am" feature on a firearm.

i like the tactical flash lights mounted on the pump.  lights are more useful -- they are blinding. 

Scattergun Technologies to the rescue!! 

Who makes that forend?  Looks very similar to the FN I picked up today. 

It's actually an older Surefire piece.  They make all sorts of nice weapon lights for just about any fixture.

[rgramjet]

I couldnt decide between a top folding stock and a plain ole pistol grip so I bought both.  Also got an aftermarket forend (forgot whose) with a rail section that will hold a light mount.  All from CDNN.

[zarn02]

i think i'm late to this party, but thought i'd throw in.

i figure when i get back to the states i'm going to pick up a mossberg 590. the 590 gets the nod over the 500 because of the metal bits and pieces, instead of plastic.

am i ever going to need 8+1 of twelve gauge? seriously doubt it, but i'm not that big a fan of reloading.

why a "tactical shotgun?" because i like matte black.

[ducatiz]

i think i'm late to this party, but thought i'd throw in.

i figure when i get back to the states i'm going to pick up a mossberg 590. the 590 gets the nod over the 500 because of the metal bits and pieces, instead of plastic.

am i ever going to need 8+1 of twelve gauge? seriously doubt it, but i'm not that big a fan of reloading.

why a "tactical shotgun?" because i like matte black.

there are fully metal 500 parts.  the only part that is plastic on the 500 is the trigger group housing, which you can swap for a steel one.  (got one for $30 on gunbroker).

that being said, the only other advantage of the 590 is the tube extension capability.

my take is to just pay the $200 and get a 14" barrel with the 500.  Looks better too.

I thought "tactical" shotgun meant you liked the way it felt, but then someone corrected me, I thought they were saying "Tactile".  rofl

[rgramjet]

Of course right after I bought all this crap I went into my local gun store where they had an 870 SPS shorty, pistol grip, 14" barrel and bad to the bone.  $600.  They said it takes 3 months, a $5 tax stamp and a trip to Jessup, MD to get fingerprinted etc.

[DRKWNG]

I hope that thing wasn't a 14" barrel with nothing but a pistol grip.  I would hate to imagine how hard that thing would be to control.

[ducatiz]

I hope that thing wasn't a 14" barrel with nothing but a pistol grip.  I would hate to imagine how hard that thing would be to control.

you would be surprised.  you fire from the hip and it is fine.  my NFA has a 12" barrel and even with 3" magnum shells, it is manageable.  i would not do it all afternoon, but it isn't as bad as you'd think.

[rgramjet]

you would be surprised.  you fire from the hip and it is fine.  my NFA has a 12" barrel and even with 3" magnum shells, it is manageable.  i would not do it all afternoon, but it isn't as bad as you'd think.

Whats the capacity with the 12" barrel?  I think the 870 is 4+1.

[DRKWNG]

you would be surprised.  you fire from the hip and it is fine.  my NFA has a 12" barrel and even with 3" magnum shells, it is manageable.  i would not do it all afternoon, but it isn't as bad as you'd think.

I don't know.  Coming from a military background, and working with quite a few "operators", I see shotguns with barrels that short as being show-boat pieces.  They are basically useless for anything greater than bedroom ranges and are almost impossible to get a decent follow on shot with if needed.

[Kopfjäger]

you would be surprised.  you fire from the hip and it is fine. 

That is a very accurate way to shoot. 

[Kopfjäger]

I don't know.  Coming from a military background, and working with quite a few "operators", I see shotguns with barrels that short as being show-boat pieces. 

If you have seen SOF guys carrying shorty shotguns, they are for Door Breaching.

[ducatiz]

Whats the capacity with the 12" barrel?  I think the 870 is 4+1.

with 2 3/4" shells, it's 4 in the tube.

I don't know.  Coming from a military background, and working with quite a few "operators", I see shotguns with barrels that short as being show-boat pieces.  They are basically useless for anything greater than bedroom ranges and are almost impossible to get a decent follow on shot with if needed.

coming from a military background, and working with quite a few "operators", I've seen shotguns used in very novel ways.  main use is door breaching, but other uses include disabling equipment with slugs and crowd control.

That is a very accurate way to shoot. 

it is accurate enough for the tool.  if you want a tack driver, you're not going to use an SBS anyhow. 

but i wasn't talking about accuracy, i was talking about control-ability.  they can do the job.  if you are using shot, you are using low-impulse stuff anyhow.  in a military/tactical context you will use slugs most of the time.

[Kopfjäger]

it is accurate enough for the tool.  if you want a tack driver, you're not going to use an SBS anyhow. 

Sorry. I completely disagree with you.

Coming from more than 20 yrs in the SOF Community.

[ducatiz]

Sorry. I completely disagree with you.

Coming from more than 20 yrs in the SOF Community.

it's a free country!

There are lots of different kinds of ppl coming out of SOCOM.  It's not a gold standard.

Plus, tactical shotguns and SBS are used by plenty of other types of agencies and groups.  This isn't a SOCOM-specific discussion.

both DoJ and Treasury use SBS (a 14" model) for specific operations.  DoJ equips FWPP agents with them for instance.

[Kopfjäger]

Only people in Movieland shoot guns from the hip.

The DoJ and the Treasury are fool of Tools.