How hard? M1100 motor into 696

[DoWorkSon]

Besides part#'s, is there difference between the 1100 and 696 heads?

[2-Skinny]

Besides part#'s, is there difference between the 1100 and 696 heads?

Valve size is different... larger for 1100.  Some slight difference in internals I believe...

- Headers

Know this for sure?  I know for almost certain the mid pipe is the same... and if you are running 696 ecu reflashed then the flapper nonsense isn't a concern either...

[ungeheuer]

Know this for sure?  I know for almost certain the mid pipe is the same... and if you are running 696 ecu reflashed then the flapper nonsense isn't a concern either...

I know it for sure.  M696 and M1100 headers are different and cannot be interchanged.  The midpipes are not the same either (M1100 has the silly flappergate, M696 does not)... not the same... but unlike the headers the midpipes are interchangeable.  I had a stock M696 midpipe fitted to my M1100 for a while.  

Midpipe swap = yes.  Headers swap = no.

Besides part#'s, is there difference between the 1100 and 696 heads?

M1100 has provision for more spark plugs 

[2-Skinny]

M1100 has provision for more spark plugs  

True- meant that also.  

  But while we are talking about it, could one of the spark plug holes/ports be plugged with maybe a specially made plug and ran with a single spark plug and stock ignition map... I haven't read numbers, but I know from experience with a few cars running dual spark that it didn't offer any meaningful performance increase once modded beyond stock. I would expect the difference would be most noticeable with regards to emissions...

[wannabfast]

i can think of a few reasons to do this, the main one is insurance, but like some others its not worth it to mod and just upgrade bikes

[DoWorkSon]

i can think of a few reasons to do this, the main one is insurance, but like some others its not worth it to mod and just upgrade bikes

You mean not to?

And at this point, with all the mods I've done and time/money I have spent, upgrading is not an option/something I want to do... Plus half the fun of owning my bike is modifying it, it's not fun to simply buy another

[wannabfast]

well a 696 is MUCH cheaper to insure than an 1100
and having an 1100 engine shoehorned would be fun
but its easier just getting the bike all done because it would be more expensive to buy the engine and electronics, and swap everything over

[2-Skinny]

well a 696 is MUCH cheaper to insure than an 1100
and having an 1100 engine shoehorned would be fun
but its easier just getting the bike all done because it would be more expensive to buy the engine and electronics, and swap everything over

Easier to buy 1100 outright... but then the same mods would have to be done again- plus the money you loose selling 696 from what was paid.  Doing the engine swap would be cheaper overall, just not easier...

"In for a penny, in for a pound...."

[thought]

i say since you guys seem pretty hands on with everything on your bikes that the non financial benefits of putting in the 1100 engine, e.g. the sense of pride in making it all work, would more than make up for the amount of work you guys put into it vs just getting a 1100.

[Raux]

first.. doworkson... sorry about busting your chops on the Ducati site

second, just do it. in fact. find an EVO motor

[Veloce-Fino]

Honestly,

You are going to spend way more to install an 1100 and a SSS on a 696 than you would just buying an 1100 outright.

Find a used 1100S. Already has the Ohlins and SSS. Throw on some boomtubes and an ECU and you are pretty much back to where you are now.

Much easier.

Plus if you ever intend to resell tht 696 w/ an 1100 swap it may be difficult.

[DoWorkSon]

Well here is my reasoning of not wanting to sell my 696 and go to 1100. I threw around that idea awhile back and figured this was the better, and funner route.... Here is why.

1. Financial reasons. I couldn't sell my 696 for nearly what I put into it, which means money down the drain. Second, I am rebounding from a short sale which killed my credit and limits my purchasing of a new bike. Buying a new bike would mean doing it all over again, which means more money spent.

2. Modifications.... My 696 has a lot of it which might make the dealership wary of buying it back, and all the things done to my 696, I would want to do to my 1100. So, I would either have to buy my 1100, and switch all parts/mods over to it... Or I would have to purchase everything all over again and  put those parts on the 1100....

3. Sentimental value. I don't want to sell my 696, and do not plan on it for a long long time. Plus, I love modding and changing it up. Half the fun of having my bike is modding it. It's like asking a Camaro owner who has done engine work, why they did not just buy a corvette. Or asking an 1100 owner, why he just didn't buy a street fighter.

4. I can always off set costs of engine with selling 696 engine... OR save 696 engine, and make it a "project" engine. and put it back in later. There are many options. I think with some time/research/patience I can find a used 1100 engine for fairly cheap and install that.

I am not saying that this is a set in stone project, but just exploring the possibilities.

[Raux]

all sound arguments.

1. but you still going to have a hell of a cash flow to get the 1100 motor unless you get a deal on a salvage bike from an insurance company, hint hint.

2. the mods... IF you sold it, I would sell off first, go back to stock, then sell the bike.

3. I would never sell my 696 as I'm keeping it for my kid.

4. Keep the 696 motor and find a SBK frame and make a small case 2v sbk

[DoWorkSon]

all sound arguments.

1. but you still going to have a hell of a cash flow to get the 1100 motor unless you get a deal on a salvage bike from an insurance company, hint hint.

2. the mods... IF you sold it, I would sell off first, go back to stock, then sell the bike.

3. I would never sell my 696 as I'm keeping it for my kid.

4. Keep the 696 motor and find a SBK frame and make a small case 2v sbk

I have been searching high and low for a wrecked 1100... A bunch of auto-auction sites, ebay, motorcycle salvage yards, etc... Just a matter of time before I can get one. There is one 1100 motor(slightly damaged) on ebay for $1700... WAYYYYYY TOO MUCH for what it is. Considering, hyper engines are going for under $1000...

Which brings up another point.

What other engines will work in the 696 frame? Considering you can get the ECU, wiring harness, etc....

There are many salvaged bikes for sale, for very cheap, that have minor damage.... 1098 engine, streetfighter engine? What are the possibilities??

And Raux, like you, I am not selling the 696. No matter how far it goes from being a 696, it will always be my 696

[hnracing]

Without major work, the following engines do have the correct swingarm bearing in the casing.
2V
1000 Monster & SS & Sport Classic
1100 Monster
3V
ST3
4V
916 Monster S4 & ST4
996 Monster S4R & ST4S
998 Monster S4RS