New EVO Monster

[Jimmy Ducati]

In the process of selling my 696 and stumbled across a shop selling almost  brand new Red EVO. Technically it is used with under 100 miles, not sure of exact number yet. They were going to mod it or something or other not my concern, so what I want to know is what would be a fair price on such an item? The first response was $11,500 but I can pretty much get that at dealer plus the fees. Am i being a greedy pig to think that say $10,750 is a fair price. I'd need to save enough to not get the perks that come from buying from your local dealer. It is usually appreciated by the staff and can reflect in better service when needed, such as a loaner bike etc.

I'm looking at the 11 Street Triple, 11 Honda CB1000r, Harley FatBoy, Aprilia Tuono, and as stated the EVO Monster and perhaps a nicely modded late model S4RS. I really like the BMW K1200R but want a lime green 08' with low miles. If anyone knows anybody who knows anybody have them track me down quickly.

Also am I forgetting to look at something?

[bikepilot]

I think you need to think about what ya want a bit more.  Do you want a lame, slow cruiser for poseing at bars? If yes, then the FB is the only bike on the list that will do.  If you want something that's at least sorta quick and goes around corners then the FB is out.

The Street Triple is a 675 - not a ton more motor than you'e got now, though it should have a bit more peak power.  The Speed Triple is more similar to the Tuono and if you are looking at a bike like the Tuono, why not the duc streetfighter?  The 4cyl bikes I find rather bland/boring feeling so if it were my list I'd scratch the rest on that basis.

I suspect that the Evo would be pretty awesome - easier to ride than the streetfighter, but still quite quick and packing loads of low-mid range grunt.

[jsd2]

I agree with what most of what Bikepilot said except for the what he said about the Street Triple.  I have a 696 and one of my best friends has a Street Triple R (it's actually in my garage right now).  I've ridden it and it has a ton more motor that the 696.  It way out accelerates my 696, not even close.  I don't like the looks and I like the character of my Ducati's motor but when it comes to performance my bike doesn't keep up.   

Jim

[the_Journeyman]

The Street Triple has a killer motor, it's may lack a bit of the low-end torque (maybe, the triples have good torque) but it has plenty more up high.  The Speed Triple is basically the wheelie-o-matic of the group.  You'll be disappointed in the Fatboy, it lacks ground clearance, is a ton heavier, and has nearly 1000cc on the 696 but isn't all that much more powerful.  The Tuono is a great bike, it is more upright than a sportbike, but carries a retuned motor from the Mille underneath and can flat haul ass.  Being water cooled BikePilot is pretty on par with suggesting looking at the Streetfighter. 

Me personally?  I'd probably go with the Monster, with the Tuono & Speed Triple as my second and third choices.

JM

[Jimmy Ducati]

Hey Guys thanks for the replys, but I meant the new Speed Triple not the STreet Triple. Friggin' names are to close.

As far as the FB I just always liked the look and have never ridden one. Gonna test ride one for giggles, leaning
heavily towards the EVO or Speed Triple, love the new headlights.

Still really dig that Madmax styling on the K1200R though.

[SDRider]

Technically, it's probably a demo model that has never been titled so technically, it is still new.

Ducati Newport Beach had one a couple weeks ago.  Don't know if they still do but they were selling it with around 100 miles on it.

[Jimmy Ducati]

Well to today was an interesting day. I stopped into my local Duc store and was able to demo the 1100evo and the 11 Speed triple back to back. I rode the Duc first then the triple. Keep in mind i've only been riding about 3 years and my 696 is my only real test subject to work off of.

First impressions would be I think I like the Triple better. I enjoyed them both, but they are entirely different animals. The Duc has appreciably more torque at lower speeds, but with that added torque comes loads of hand vibration which is not present on my 696 or the Triple. Handling at the demo speeds I was going seemed to be about the same. Again I'm sure someone with more experience would laugh at that assessment. All I can say is what my ass felt. To me why the Triple shined was how smooth and really fast it was compared to the Duc, and I had a bunch of problems getting used to the clutch on the Duc; I must have stalled it 5 times on my 20 minute ride compared to not a one on the Triple. I may have been used to the different clutch feel by the time I got on the Triple though to be fair to the Duc. But if you have ever ridden a 696 you would know the odd feel the clutch has compared to a dry clutch so it was messing me up at the start. I also never even came close to lifting either wheel so womping on them does not turn them into wheelie machines as I feared.

The Triple is just smooth as butter with almost zero road feel at the hands, and it's not quite as purdy, but it does have me thinking?
However I can get a sweet deal about a flat $11k for the EVO so I am really torn.

[Raux]

how about cornering?

When I tested a BMW F800 it turned like a fat dog.
How was the triple compared to the Monster?

[thought]

both are great bikes with fanatical owners... i dont think you can really go wrong with either.

btw, the 1100evo has a wet clutch now, not a dry clutch and the only complaint i've heard about the triple is some vibration at highway speeds.

[Jimmy Ducati]

how about cornering?

When I tested a BMW F800 it turned like a fat dog.
How was the triple compared to the Monster?

MAybe a smidge of under steer I think one would call it on the TRiple, but nothing that disconcerting. I also only really hit it hard on the straights as I didn't want to be the idiot who dumped it on the demo. I rode them like I normally ride and honestly handling wouldn't be a factor as I thought they were similar. I hit 80 tops on both, i was in a 45mph, and the Triple was almost nill vibration at the grips. Really nice, smooth, untorky power compared to the EVO. To me the EVO felt meaner or rougher, kinda harley vibrations in the hands. The Triple same as the 696 maybe better. I will probably take them out one more time going Triple first. I will post up.
The deal I can possibly get on the EVO though may be hard to pass up, and I just got a line on a low mileage SF that a guy needs to sell fast, so new option. Any problems with the first run of SF"s that went out?

[Jimmy Ducati]

both are great bikes with fanatical owners... i dont think you can really go wrong with either.

btw, the 1100evo has a wet clutch now, not a dry clutch and the only complaint i've heard about the triple is some vibration at highway speeds.

My next test drives I will take to I95 and see about that for you.

Is it the same style clutch? My 696 a 2 year old could squeeze it and there is a one inch almost lag before the wheels turn, that's how mine has been since day one. I remember because I kept stalling it when I first got it trying to figure out the pause before moving. The EVO clutch was firm and moved forward immediately. I normally keep my pinkie under the lever to help on the 696, but can't do that with the EVO because your moving already. It might be similar, but probably not the same?

[Jimmy Ducati]

I'm gonna hijack my own thread, friggin' big lout that I am.  So I just stumbled across a pimped out beautiful 07 S4RS with under 3K on the clock. How similar is this in power to my 696? The price is much nicer than anything new and between you and me it kinda gave me a chubby just looking at the pix. Going for an in person tomorrow.

So 07 S4RS  or not so much? I want a reliable bike much like my soon to be former 696 which was super reliable.
Also what is the maintenance interval with this older model vs. the new ones.

Thanks as always for the vast knowledge on here!

[the_Journeyman]

Older - Every 6K for valves, belts every 12K

The S4RS will be more expensive to service than the 1100, but the S4RS is a good bit more motor than the 1100.  S4RS has around 130HP, the 696 around 80, however the torque is about 37lbs on the 696 and around 77lbs for the S4RS.  That is a HUGE torque difference.  Hello power wheelies 

JM

[lazylightnin717]

S4RS is a beautiful bike. It will come with full Ohlins all around which to me is a HUGE plus.

[fastwin]

S4RS is a beautiful bike. It will come with full Ohlins all around which to me is a HUGE plus.

+1!!!

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=50228.0

You're welcome!