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Author Topic: Ducatisti Killed in Denver, Driver runs, later turns self in  (Read 8892 times)
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« on: June 29, 2011, 07:04:57 AM »

Please please please watch where your driving. I think its a 1098 or 848, judging from the pictures. The video in the link is horrifying, watch at your own risk, just, really really terrible.

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http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-video-shows-moment-of-impact-in-fatal-denver-hitandrun-20110628,0,1342635.story


DENVER -- A 26-year-old man is in custody for allegedly causing an accident that killed a motorcyclist on Sunday, and then fleeing the scene.

Daniel Kliem, 26, was arrested for investigation of careless driving resulting in death and leaving the scene of an accident, Denver Police announced Tuesday.

Court records show he has previous arrests for driving under the influence and driving with a suspended license.

Surveillance video obtained by FOX31 Denver shows a Jeep Cherokee making a left turn from a car wash parking lot onto northbound Federal Blvd. near West Virginia Ave., and into the path of a motorcycle ridden by Abdul Alhilo, who was traveling south on Federal.

Alhilo, a refugee from Iraq, died from the impact, which rocked the SUV sideways.

Police said the Jeep drove a short distance after the accident before Kliem jumped out and ran, leaving two passengers still inside the vehicle.

“If the motorcycle was able to push the vehicle sideways, that’s an indication of speed,” said Max Scott with The Forensic Trio, an accident reconstruction team based in Lafayette, Colo.

Based on skid marks, Scott estimates the motorcycle was traveling at approximately 45 miles an hour.
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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2011, 07:31:32 AM »

Horrible... hate to second guess but it looks like he had room to move right and avoid the collision.
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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2011, 07:51:30 AM »

Horrible... hate to second guess but it looks like he had room to move right and avoid the collision.

agreed on the idea of target fixation instead of accident avoidance escape route....that doesn't make this any less wrong or right...just stating an opinion based on Point of View from just 1 aspect...
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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2011, 08:02:49 AM »

Watching the video it looks like the bike was going too fast.  The video looks slowed down slightly and he is still traveling fairly fast.  With that being said though the driver of the SUV is a piece of shit.  To drive off and leave the guy there to suffer just shows you thought you did something wrong.
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2011, 08:07:26 AM »

Watching the video it looks like the bike was going too fast.  The video looks slowed down slightly and he is still traveling fairly fast.


forensic guy says 45mph, internet guy says "too fast"... i wonder which one has better information to draw conclusions from?
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2011, 08:15:44 AM »

what is the speed limit of the road right there?
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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2011, 08:22:01 AM »

forensic guy says 45mph, internet guy says "too fast"... i wonder which one has better information to draw conclusions from?
Maybe 45mph is too fast.
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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2011, 08:22:30 AM »

always bad to hear stuff like this...

i have to agree that the video does show that the biker is going a lot faster than the rest of traffic though, seemingly faster than 45 mph.  and the forensic guy mentioned in this article might not be the guy on scene.  it states that the max scott guy is a part of "the forensic trio" which is seemingly a group hired by law firms/people involved in litigation for accident reconstruction.  i'm guessing the reporters just sent him the video and had him give a quote on it.  i def could be wrong about this, but i would think that the official report would come out of the police forensics dpt, not a 3rd party.
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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2011, 08:34:16 AM »

This internet guy thinks the bike was going fast too. I was the company rep for my family trucking company regarding all vehicle accidents and cargo damage claims. I have seen and heard lots of bad intel come out of so called forensic traffic "experts" and have given counter testimony in court. Not throwing rocks at this expert's statement because all I have to look at is a funky video. Just saying the bike looks to be clipping along.

I also agree with others that he had room to the right to avoid the Jeep. Target fixation and speed are a bad mix. He was also a young guy. How much street experience did he have?

Anyway, no amount of Monday morning quarterbacking will ever make up for the life that was taken by some irresponsible, chicken shit driver! bang head You got hit that hard and you took off? bang head You dump your car down the road and run leaving two friends in your car? Ahhh... do you think they were going to take the blame for the accident? I've got $100 that says he was once again drunk as hell and driving and waited until he sobered up before going into custody to avoid intox manslaughter charges. Hope his "friends" rat his sorry ass out and tell police how drunk he really was behind the wheel.

At least the rider's family can take solace in knowing the SOB that killed him is now behind bars. Sad story indeed.
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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2011, 08:35:56 AM »

Speed limit is 40mph.  I still stand by my "too fast" comment.
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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2011, 08:59:08 AM »

Sad story indeed.  It's painful for me to watch the video as I also went thru similar accident just 10 months ago.   I was doing 35 (speed limit) when a careless driver coming toward me made an illegal left turn.  She hit me on my left side.  A fraction of sec difference would have had me crashing into the car, just like the driver.  Watched that video literally took me back to the moment when I laid on the side of street, feeling helpless...

At least the rider's family can take solace in knowing the SOB that killed him is now behind bars.
+1.  I hope that the driver is held responsible for this tragedy to the fullest of the law.
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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2011, 09:00:49 AM »

forensic guy says 45mph, internet guy says "too fast"... i wonder which one has better information to draw conclusions from?

45 mph and too fast are exclusive. He didn't say HOW fast he was going only TOO fast. By definition he was going TOO fast to stop given that particular situation, so 'internet guy' is right. But that doesn't mean 'forensic guy' wasn't right too... could have been 45 mph.

Regardless, the cager should be thrown under the jail... piece of trash for not stopping.
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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2011, 09:54:57 AM »

I can't tell from the video if he's wearing a helmet or not.  Would it have made a difference in a sudden stop 45 mph impact?  Running into that SUV is like hitting a brick wall.  Your brain can only take so many G's, helmet or no.
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« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2011, 10:03:32 AM »

forensic guy says 45mph, internet guy says "too fast"... i wonder which one has better information to draw conclusions from?

they are using moment of impact to determine that. 
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« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2011, 10:31:44 AM »

All I can say is damn. Thats sad, I hate people sometimes. Just leaving the scene like that is beyond imagination.

I agree, that it looks like the bike was traveling faster then the road conditions seemed to warrant, but I'm sure everyone of us has done that at one point or another. I hope he went quickly, and I wish his family well during this time of grief.
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