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Author Topic: New vs. S*R Monster design, two years later  (Read 20283 times)
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« Reply #60 on: July 20, 2011, 08:12:04 PM »
Quote from: ChrisH on July 20, 2011, 06:46:04 PM
IMHO a true ducatisti, or a true motorcyclist wouldnt hate another bike.


I disagree with that. Oh and I hate the word Ducatisti.  Wink
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« Reply #61 on: July 20, 2011, 08:13:07 PM »
Quote from: Radar on July 20, 2011, 01:16:07 AM
I guess my bike is old... 05 S4R... It handles bad? Really? Maybe I'm too old, but my bike has more power than I know how to handle, and it cuts the corners like it's glued to the tarmac. In short, my bike is better than I am.   That settles it... I'm old.
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« Reply #62 on: July 20, 2011, 08:22:15 PM »
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 20, 2011, 08:12:04 PM

I disagree with that. Oh and I hate the word Ducatisti.  Wink

What's the beer count at?   cheeky
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« Reply #63 on: July 20, 2011, 08:28:38 PM »
Quote from: Pedro-bot on July 20, 2011, 08:22:15 PM
What's the beer count at?   cheeky


Shhhh  Cheesy
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« Reply #64 on: July 20, 2011, 10:34:08 PM »
It took me 10 years to start liking the original Monster enough to buy one.  I'll need 8 more years to decide on the new one.
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« Reply #65 on: July 20, 2011, 11:02:41 PM »
Quote from: hillbillypolack on July 20, 2011, 05:09:55 PM
That does look fantastic.
+1  waytogo

Quote from: hillbillypolack on July 20, 2011, 05:09:55 PM
I could go on and on about why the original design is more cohesive in automotive design terms............
And you'd be expressing an opinion shared by many.  Some of us hold an alternative opinion  Smiley.

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« Reply #66 on: July 20, 2011, 11:13:44 PM »
Let me throw this out. How many of you that own the new Monster, owened older (not S*R) Monsters?
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« Reply #67 on: July 21, 2011, 01:34:17 AM »
Quote from: Travman on July 20, 2011, 06:48:00 AM
Mmmmm.... that looks good. What is it about that Monster that looks so right?  Has the headlight and gauges been lowered?  Love those skinny carbon mufflers.

Yeah lowered headlight and gauges, plus clipons add to the look.
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« Reply #68 on: July 21, 2011, 04:43:21 AM »
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 20, 2011, 08:12:04 PM

I disagree with that. Oh and I hate the word Ducatisti.  Wink

I do too.  The correct word is "Ducatista."  Ducatisti is the plural, so if you say "a true ductatisti" you had better have MPD.
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« Reply #69 on: July 21, 2011, 09:41:55 AM »
Quote from: ducatiz on July 21, 2011, 04:43:21 AM
I do too.  The correct word is "Ducatista."  Ducatisti is the plural, so if you say "a true ductatisti" you had better have MPD.

actually Ducatista is the female version of the word
Ducatisto would be masculine

Ducatiste would be a group of women
Ducatisti would be men or a mixed group.
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« Reply #70 on: July 21, 2011, 09:42:30 AM »
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 20, 2011, 11:13:44 PM
Let me throw this out. How many of you that own the new Monster, owened older (not S*R) Monsters?

owned a 99 Monster

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« Reply #71 on: July 21, 2011, 10:26:29 AM »
Quote from: Raux on July 21, 2011, 09:41:55 AM
actually Ducatista is the female version of the word
Ducatisto would be masculine

Ducatiste would be a group of women
Ducatisti would be men or a mixed group.



I'm sorry, this is not correct.

The noun form derives from words like "barista" (bartender) or any one of these:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Italian_words_suffixed_with_-ista

-ista refers to the masculine OR feminine noun personalization of a word.

fyi

http://www.orbilat.com/Languages/Italian/Grammar/Nouns/Italian-Nouns-Common_gender_in_a.html
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« Reply #72 on: July 21, 2011, 10:50:44 AM »
Quote from: ducatiz on July 21, 2011, 10:26:29 AM
I'm sorry, this is not correct.

The noun form derives from words like "barista" (bartender) or any one of these:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Italian_words_suffixed_with_-ista

-ista refers to the masculine OR feminine noun personalization of a word.

fyi

http://www.orbilat.com/Languages/Italian/Grammar/Nouns/Italian-Nouns-Common_gender_in_a.html


got it, thanks for making me break out my italian lesson book... it's very moldy smelling. but i was right about the plural
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« Reply #73 on: July 21, 2011, 11:46:47 AM »
Quote from: hillbillypolack on July 20, 2011, 05:09:55 PM
That does look fantastic.  Reminds me why I kept my M900. .

I could go on and on about why the original design is more cohesive in automotive design terms.  But let's just say there is the definitive character of the original that's missing in the new version.

Look at the pic above.  Better yet look at any M900 with a bronze frame and red tank.  The lattice frame is an 'up and forward' movement that ends with the downward lines of the forks.  The lattice visually 'supports' the hunchback-looking tank, giving it a bulldog sort of look.  The line from the top of the tank runs forward into the top of the headlight-just like in the image above! 

So you have a big-shouldered mass of the tank, the one-two of the trellis and fork and it's only exaggerated by low clip-ons.  The 'down-and-back' swept exhaust, floating off the engine cases is a countermovement to the tank / frame.  Always classic.

The new style, while interesting is visually less organized and far less harmonious.  It's a collection of details instead of physical mass and structure.  In my mind, there was far less understanding on 'how' to bring the essential Monster elements into an updated bike so Ducati just designed something that's not very similar to the original.

I loved reading that - painting with words waytogo
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« Reply #74 on: July 21, 2011, 11:56:18 AM »
Quote from: Howley on July 20, 2011, 01:29:03 AM
Real classic monsters forever...


there's a argument to be made for the new ones too...

this is xskiervh's
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