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Started by Monsterlover, July 19, 2011, 07:30:39 AM

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Monsterlover

July 19, 2011, 07:30:39 AM
"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**

Buckethead

#1
July 19, 2011, 09:44:35 AM
Great.

There goes their legendary "build quality."  >:(
Quote from: Jester on April 11, 2013, 07:29:35 AM
I can't wait until Marquez gets on his level and makes Jorge trip on his tampon string. 

Raux

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July 19, 2011, 09:48:48 AM
man, I wish manufacturers would stop doing this. global cars suck.

I will never buy an American made "import" car new, doesn't matter if it's BMW, AUDI or Toyota.

There's something about having your German car made in Germany or Italian bike made in Italy that is just awesome. I don't want a Thailand produced British bike. I  don't want an American made German car.

and yes I know parts are sourced around the world... but Ohlins are made in Sweden, Showa made in Japan... I know what they are and where they are made. I don't want a manufacturer pulling a fast one on me. AND PLEASE don't tell me Ohlins are Chinese made or I'll  [puke]

Monsterlover

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July 19, 2011, 10:23:32 AM
Quote from: Buckethead on July 19, 2011, 09:44:35 AM
Great.

There goes their legendary "build quality."  >:(

Remains to be seen.  Manufacturing money coming here is a good thing.

They already have a reliable formula for building nice cars there.  They likely will implement it here as well.  The potential to still have a nice product is quite high.

It's not like they're having Dodge building their transmissions :P
"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**

Raux

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July 19, 2011, 10:37:34 AM
Quote from: Monsterlover on July 19, 2011, 10:23:32 AM
They already have a reliable formula for building nice cars there.  They likely will implement it here as well.  The potential to still have a nice product is quite high.


Toyota had this issue... you knew which Corollas would have certain problems... all of them US built. Same car, supposedly same manufacturing methods... one made in the US, the other in Japan.

Pretty much firmed it up for me. It's a shame, I want to support the U.S. manufacturers, but until they build American cars like a Lexus or BMW... no thanks. And no building a BMW in the US doesn't count in my book.

Thing about it is, the wife and I talked about the future SUV and AUDI was top of our list... guess I need to check VINs now.

Monsterlover

#5
July 19, 2011, 10:43:37 AM
Quote from: Raux on July 19, 2011, 10:37:34 AM
Same car, supposedly same manufacturing methods... one made in the US, the other in Japan.

What was the difference?

Sounds like the mfg methods were not the same. . .
"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**

Buckethead

#6
July 19, 2011, 10:44:57 AM
From Consumer Reports, updated April 2011

Europe's bumpy road

"BMW had a bad year, with five of 11 models now scoring below average. Although the BMW M3 topped the sporty cars category, the 1, 3, and 5 Series models with the 3.0-liter, turbocharged engine had high problem rates related to the fuel system, among other issues.

Mercedes-Benz had the least reliable vehicles in three categories. Six of its 13 models were below average, and the GLK SUV was far below average this year. The redesigned E350 sedan was above average, but the new E-Class coupe, a wholly different car, was a disappointment.

Almost three-quarters of the Audi models we analyzed were below average. Volkswagen did better, with its Golf (formerly Rabbit) doing very well and the various Jetta models doing average or better."

While it might take away some of the cachet of having a "German" car, I don't think it's going to decrease their reliability. They do a good enough job of that on their own.
Quote from: Jester on April 11, 2013, 07:29:35 AM
I can't wait until Marquez gets on his level and makes Jorge trip on his tampon string. 

Triple J

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July 19, 2011, 10:50:48 AM
Quote from: Buckethead on July 19, 2011, 09:44:35 AM
There goes their legendary "build quality."  >:(

We're talking Audi, right?

I've always heard you either get a good one or a shit on...toss a coin.

Buckethead

#8
July 19, 2011, 10:51:57 AM
Quote from: Triple J on July 19, 2011, 10:50:48 AM
We're talking Audi, right?

I've always heard you either get a good one or a shit on...toss a coin.

Which was my sarcastic assertion.  ;)
Quote from: Jester on April 11, 2013, 07:29:35 AM
I can't wait until Marquez gets on his level and makes Jorge trip on his tampon string. 

Raux

#9
July 19, 2011, 10:54:19 AM
I have a 3series for more than year, nearly 30k miles... not a single issue. rock solid. i had a 'highly' rated Acura.. crappy transmission crapped out on me. Parents have a Merc.. yeah not what they are cracked up to be.

one of the best cars i've seen in person.. Lexus, more than 200k miles and still running great. normal wear and tear, but no transmission or motor issues.. interior still very solid and no seat tears, etc.

I had a 92 BMW 728... had a head gasket needed replacing, but other than that... solid car still at more than 200k km and 11+ years when I gave it to family.

Triple J

#10
July 19, 2011, 11:11:36 AM
Quote from: Buckethead on July 19, 2011, 10:51:57 AM
Which was my sarcastic assertion.  ;)

Gotcha...I missed the quotes.  :P

gage

#11
July 19, 2011, 11:52:10 AM
Quote from: Monsterlover on July 19, 2011, 10:43:37 AM
What was the difference?

Sounds like the mfg methods were not the same. . .

The differences are more cultural and less technical. The toyota production system (LEAN, six sigma etc.) is more psychological and cultural than it is about technical effeciencies. Japanese in general think in more collective terms and have no problem following processes to the letter whereas in the US independence is key to just about everything we do. German manufacturing techniques are different than those used in Japan and work really well for their culture and mindset. It doesn't hurt that the laborers and builders in Germany are the second highest paid in the world.

US manufacturers thought they could force employees to follow a system like TPS and it doesn't work. With tweaks and a recognition that culture plays a huge part there are systems that work exceptionally well. Look at the quality of Canadian made lexus' as one example.

Vindingo

#12
July 19, 2011, 03:13:37 PM
I bet its built in a right to work state

Monsterlover

#13
July 19, 2011, 03:28:11 PM
My state isn't.  Unions here royally screwed things up and a lot of people are out of work because of them.
"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**

Drjones

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July 19, 2011, 03:36:50 PM Last Edit: July 19, 2011, 04:12:43 PM by Drjones
Quote from: Vindingo on July 19, 2011, 03:13:37 PM
I bet its built in a right to work state

Not doing so would be the equivalent of subjecting oneself to forced anal rape.
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