Are water-cooled Monsters really Monsters?

[duccarlos]

Monsters are air-cooled. There, I said it.

[ItsaDuc]

I too am still half way through my coffee, so I might not make sense either but here it goes.

Not long ago when the "new" Monsters hit the roads everyone said "cant wait for a liquid cooled one"

Then Ducati introduced the Streetfighter which everyone scratched their heads and said "that seems redundant"

Then no liquid cooled Monster in sight.

Ducati answered your question for you....Monsters are air cooled.

I think of the Streetfighter as the update for the liquid cooled Monster.

 

[Goat_Herder]

Ducati answered your question for you....Monsters are air cooled.

I think of the Streetfighter as the update for the liquid cooled Monster.

 

Although I agree with you, I couldn't help but noticing the contradiction in your reply.  If your first statement is true (Monsters are air-cooled), then your second statement wouldn't make sense (Liquid-cooled "Monster").  So what is the Streetfighter really replacing?   

/random thought

[lazylightnin717]

Great now my head hurts

[ItsaDuc]

Although I agree with you, I couldn't help but noticing the contradiction in your reply.  If your first statement is true (Monsters are air-cooled), then your second statement wouldn't make sense (Liquid-cooled "Monster").  So what is the Streetfighter really replacing?   

/random thought

Refer to first statement.

 

[Bishamon]

I want an air-cooled superbike.   


I prefer the simplicity of the air-cooled Monsters, both in terms of look and engine design.  That's not to say that the S4 Monsters aren't Monsters.  Perhaps Ducati should have called the liquid-cooled models by another name back when they were released... apparently they decided to go that route when they split the line and started calling them Streetfighters.

[fastwin]

I'm confused... but still have no opinion.

[ItsaDuc]

Ooh, I almost forgot

I have a '77 900SS (in boxes), a '82 900SS Hailwood Rep, a '97 916SPS, a '99 996S, a '05 999, a '06 Sport 1000 (Back in Black #2, all Ohlins, built by Jeff Nash/AMS) and a '07 S2R1000.

You Sir, you suck.

  

Carry on.

[junior varsity]

I prefer the SBK-based platforms, so I prefer the pre-ST Monsters because it is based on the 851-888, but clearly is changed by the welded on subframe, and different power plant. The change in powerplant doesn't bother me too much, the idea of the Monster is a clean, naked bike. Hard to do that with the 3v & 4v motors, quite evident in the 'narrower radiator' thread going on.

The S4, which moved to the ST frame (so a departure from the SBK-frame based platform) got the 916 engine (in a detuned form - due in part from the S4 gots no ram-air like the 851-888-916 desmoquattro motors when in SBK form). So a "SBK"-esque powerplant, no longer a SBK based frame, though the rear suspension setup is like the 916 style rocker+rod setup, so perhaps arguably similar in that aspect.   The 2v ones retained the uncluttered look but moved to the ST platform, now the only "SBK" element really being the suspension link setup...

The S4R / S4Rt-S4RS models got a trellis SSS, and to me, made them a combo of a detuned SBK motor + monster tank + MH900e.  Similarly, the S2R versions are closer to the MH900e than they are to a SBK, so while being close to original monster in design - 2v - they have only the suspension link setup similar to a 916 - the swingarm / rear wheel is more MH900e, in my opinion, than it is 916.   The 2002-later Monsters, + S4, would be much more monster-ish if using the frame-swingarm-pivot point like on the 916 to stay in SBK-history, to me.  

4V motors are certainly more SBK-ish than a 2V motor, but the original motor could easily have had a 4v motor - the desmoquattro 851/888 power plant was available - it wasn't built that way because the design was a "less-is-more" aesthetic (a whole lot due to the "parts-bin special" nature of the Monsters - clearing out a bunch of Paso and old SS parts, etc).

At this point, looking back across the line-up, SBK-trickle-down is less significant it seems, but the 'less-is-more' with a 2V powerplant is the general line theme. The 4v Monsters stick out a bit as oddities in light of the earlier 2v-only line, their contemporaneous 2v line, and the subsequent (now present) 2v-only line.

[junior varsity]

Monsters are air-cooled. There, I said it.

I agrizzle, but apparently in more words.

[Grampa]

Dry air is primarily made up of nitrogen (78.09%) and oxygen (20.95%). The remaining 1% is made up of argon (0.93%), carbon dioxide (0.039% as of 2010) and other trace gases (0.003%). Water vapor (water in its gaseous state) is also present in the atmosphere in varying amounts, by up to 2%.

both are water cooled







bazinga!

[Uncle Mofo]

Dry air is primarily made up of nitrogen (78.09%) and oxygen (20.95%). The remaining 1% is made up of argon (0.93%), carbon dioxide (0.039% as of 2010) and other trace gases (0.003%). Water vapor (water in its gaseous state) is also present in the atmosphere in varying amounts, by up to 2%.

both are water cooled









bazinga!

Lol love my s4rs

[Goat_Herder]

Dry air is primarily made up of nitrogen (78.09%) and oxygen (20.95%). The remaining 1% is made up of argon (0.93%), carbon dioxide (0.039% as of 2010) and other trace gases (0.003%). Water vapor (water in its gaseous state) is also present in the atmosphere in varying amounts, by up to 2%.

both are water cooled







bazinga!

I would like to add that S2R and other bigger 2V Monster are cooled by an oil cooler.  These monsters are technically oil-cooled while the baby monsters (400, 600, 620, 695), without oil cooler, are truly air-cooled, or in bp's words, water-cooled.

You like how I reopened that can of worms?  You're welcome.  

[lazylightnin717]

Now my head hurts even more

Thanks everyone

[Travman]

I agrizzle, but apparently in more words.

No shit. I want to say something sarcastic, but light hearted.  Couldn't think of anything.  So I'll just say it.  You are the long-winded-est person on this forum. Not that there is anything wrong with that. I just have to mentally prepare when I start reading your posts.  Sort of like when you start a book and then you realize this is taking a long time and I haven't even made a dent in it yet, so you turn to the back of he book to see how many pages it has. Don't change. You obviously enjoy your hobby.

Question:  I know the second gen frame is ST derived, but isn't the ST frame just an updated design based on the Monster frame of the time. So if this is true, all the pre-2009 Monsters are 851/888 based.