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« Reply #165 on: January 06, 2012, 04:49:01 AM »
Fair, but he too has ridden the D16 on those tires. I wonder if any of the non-ducati riders complain about the tires.
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« Reply #166 on: January 06, 2012, 05:08:52 AM »
Quote from: zooom on January 06, 2012, 04:04:34 AM
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Jan/12010565flexin.htm

seems Carlos isn't the only 1 pointing the finger at em...

from another article:

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/175808/1/safety_officer_capirossi_weighs_in_on_motogp_tyres.html

"There were problems with serial numbers too. With that number you can figure out when the tyre was built. A tyre built two years ago can't go as quick as one built last week. Some riders had the new tyres and some others the old ones. That's not okay, that must be fixed: I want the last rider to have the same possibilities the first one has."
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« Reply #167 on: January 06, 2012, 05:10:02 AM »
I like what he says, let's see if he gets any headway.  Loris is probably in the top 3 or 4 of most likeable riders imho. 

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Capirex also said he'll get his hands dirty to ensure Bridgestone complies with his arm-twisting tactics.

"The tires situation in 2011 has never been clear, so in 2012 I will choose the tires for the riders," he said. "I mean, I will do it personally: I will go by the bunch of tires and pick them myself."

That's an offshoot of Capirossi's attitude toward his new job: Dorna may pay me, but it doesn't own me. Capirex is the new "Norma Rae" of MotoGP.
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« Reply #168 on: January 06, 2012, 05:10:41 AM »
Quote from: IdZer0 on January 06, 2012, 04:49:01 AM
Fair, but he too has ridden the D16 on those tires. I wonder if any of the non-ducati riders complain about the tires.

i've heard a lot of riders say the tires were too hard and very, very scary in the opening laps because of what it takes to get them up to temperature.
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« Reply #169 on: January 06, 2012, 05:14:35 AM »
Quote from: derby on January 06, 2012, 05:08:52 AM
from another article:

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/175808/1/safety_officer_capirossi_weighs_in_on_motogp_tyres.html

"There were problems with serial numbers too. With that number you can figure out when the tyre was built. A tyre built two years ago can't go as quick as one built last week. Some riders had the new tyres and some others the old ones. That's not okay, that must be fixed: I want the last rider to have the same possibilities the first one has."
That goes against what Bridgestone said all last year.

They were saying the tire allocations were put up and shipped months before an event.

I have no doubt that the tires are a huge issue, but it's all money and politics.

It remains to be seen if Loris can have an effect.
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« Reply #170 on: January 06, 2012, 05:59:55 AM »
Quote from: ducpainter on January 06, 2012, 05:14:35 AM
I have no doubt that the tires are a huge issue, but it's all money and politics.

It remains to be seen if Loris can have an effect.

well....you know the old saying...talk is cheap...
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« Reply #171 on: January 06, 2012, 06:09:51 AM »

I am the Lorix!

I speak for the TIRES!
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« Reply #172 on: January 06, 2012, 09:07:59 AM »
Quote from: ducatiz on January 06, 2012, 06:09:51 AM
I am the Lorix!

I speak for the TIRES!

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« Reply #173 on: January 06, 2012, 12:04:41 PM »
Quote from: derby on January 06, 2012, 05:10:41 AM
i've heard a lot of riders say the tires were too hard and very, very scary in the opening laps because of what it takes to get them up to temperature.

yup.  everyone is scared to death of them in the opening laps.
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« Reply #174 on: January 06, 2012, 02:05:28 PM »
It will be interesting.

One thing we haven't seen much of is people completely running out of tire on the stones.

I'm wondering if they chose this route purposely?

I still think Loris will be beating his head against the wall.

If Ezpeleta was serious he wouldn't have re-signed with Bridgestone.
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« Reply #175 on: January 06, 2012, 02:16:38 PM »
Quote from: ducpainter on January 06, 2012, 02:05:28 PM
It will be interesting.

One thing we haven't seen much of is people completely running out of tire on the stones.

I'm wondering if they chose this route purposely?

I still think Loris will be beating his head against the wall.

If Ezpeleta was serious he wouldn't have re-signed with Bridgestone.

took this route on purpose, yes.  however they seem to have gone too far.  the 2008/2009 tires appeared to be the perfect mix of grip and longevity.  like TC, give engineers enough time and resources and they'll refine the human factor out of most anything.  it's still amazing that riders can turn their fastest laps on their last laps with these things..

they've *always* been much stiffer carcasses than most other tires.  that contributed to the whole coming of age thing in 2007, same year michelin got caught asleep at the wheel.

in addition to being scared to death of them in the opening laps the OTHER thing everyone says is that when they're up to temp no other tire comes close in terms of grip.  a move to pirelli or michelin would mean developing completely different bikes.
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« Reply #176 on: January 06, 2012, 02:25:06 PM »
Quote from: gm2 on January 06, 2012, 02:16:38 PM
<snip>  a move to pirelli or michelin would mean developing completely different bikes.

Maybe there would be a race occasionally. Wink
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« Reply #177 on: January 06, 2012, 02:35:59 PM »
Quote from: ducpainter on January 06, 2012, 02:25:06 PM
Maybe there would be a race occasionally. Wink

i think we'll get some of that this year and a lot of that next year =)
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« Reply #178 on: January 06, 2012, 02:39:37 PM »
Quote from: gm2 on January 06, 2012, 02:35:59 PM
i think we'll get some of that this year and a lot of that next year =)
It would be nice.
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« Reply #179 on: January 06, 2012, 04:03:20 PM »
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The tires situation in 2011 has never been clear, so in 2012 I will choose the tires for the riders. I mean, I will do it personally: I will go by the bunch of tires and pick them myself.

Really?
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