Huh?! Did I read it right?

[jvax]

That GSXR 750 will walk all over a 749 power wise.  It's not anywhere near as nice of a bike (IMO), but it's got a MUCH stronger motor.  Same thing goes for the SV1000.  That thing puts out a lot more power than a DS1000.

True, but an SV1000 has a water cooled V twin, right?  I think it makes more sense to compare to a Desmoquattro S4R. 

Both have the exact same displacement 996cc, and both produce similar power and torque.

http://www.suzukicycles.org/SV-series/SV1000-SV1000S.shtml

http://www.ducati.com/bikes/monster/s4r/2005/tech_spec.do

Don't get me wrong, the SV1000 is a fantastic bike, but I'd take an S4R any day.

[Grampa]

I know a guy who wants to get rid of his 1098 and get a Ural.

[Raux]

hmmm a Ducati lesson is needed here.

Ducati superbike and Monster/streefighter lineups through the years, by model number

Superbikes (all 4v)
- big bikes 851,888,916,996,998,999,1098,1198
- small bikes 748,749,848

Monster (only 2v starting in 2009)
large 2 v- 900, 1000, 1100
med 2 v- 750, 800, 796
small 2 v- 600, 620, 695, 696
large 4 v- S4 (916-motor), S4R (996-motor), S4RS (999-motor)

Streetfighter (took over for the 4v Monster)
large 4 v- 1098
small 4 v- 848 coming next year.

[CookieMonster]

hmmm a Ducati lesson is needed here.

Ducati superbike and Monster/streefighter lineups through the years, by model number

Superbikes (all 4v)
- big bikes 851,888,916,996,998,999,1098,1198
- small bikes 748,749,848

Monster (only 2v starting in 2009)
large 2 v- 900, 1000, 1100
med 2 v- 750, 800, 796
small 2 v- 600, 620, 695, 696
large 4 v- S4 (916-motor), S4R (996-motor), S4RS (999-motor)

Streetfighter (took over for the 4v Monster)
large 4 v- 1098
small 4 v- 848 coming next year.

This looks very informative and I wish I knew what I was looking at. 2v = 2 valve right? So what do you mean 2v starting in 2009? What happened to the models prior '09? sorry for all my dumb n00b questions .

[Raux]

This looks very informative and I wish I knew whaut I was looking at. 2v = 2 valve right? So what do you mean 2v starting in 2009? What happened to the models prior '09? sorry for all my dumb n00b questions .

ducati dropped the four valve monster in 09 making the streetfighter their new naked four valve
So all new monsters are two valve air cooled
all streetfighters are four valve water cooled
all superbikes are four valve water cooled

[CookieMonster]

ducati dropped the four valve monster in 09 making the streetfighter their new naked four valve
So all new monsters are two valve air cooled
all streetfighters are four valve water cooled
all superbikes are four valve water cooled

Ooooh...cool thanks for the quick lesson 

[DRKWNG]

hmmm a Ducati lesson is needed here.

Ducati superbike and Monster/streefighter lineups through the years, by model number

Superbikes (all 4v)
- big bikes 851,888,916,996,998,999,1098,1198
- small bikes 748,749,848

Monster (only 2v starting in 2009)
large 2 v- 900, 1000, 1100
med 2 v- 750, 800, 796
small 2 v- 600, 620, 695, 696
large 4 v- S4 (916-motor), S4R (996-motor), S4RS (999-motor)

Streetfighter (took over for the 4v Monster)
large 4 v- 1098
small 4 v- 848 coming next year.

Don't forget the Supersports (2V, air cooled SBK-lights) or the 400 Monster. 

[Raux]

Don't forget the Supersports (2V, air cooled SBK-lights) or the 400 Monster. 

was keeping to currently available lineup, the two lines he was talking about and US spec (IIRC 400 was not avail in US)

but yes, hate for him to see a Supersport and get confused.

The Supersport or SS is a 2-valve sportbike similar in looks to the superbike (all bodywork or half-faired bodywork)
they had a 400 (nonUS), 600, 750, 900, 800, 1000 over the years
they also were remembered with the SportClassic or SC lineup
including 1 full and half faired
all SC were 2-valve 1000 motors.

[He Man]

cc wars. why we dont have any decent bikes under 500cc at a good price.