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« on: October 31, 2011, 04:36:36 PM »

So I was watching Moto2 the other day and an idea. Surely not an original idea. I've no doubt it has been done before, but if it's being done at the moment I haven't seen it.

How's about a class (or classes) where there are no factory teams at all. Unlike Moto2, I don't want a control engine. I'm happy to let manufacturers build engines which teams can purchase, and probably have some sort of rules regarding the tuning of those motors beyond factory-fresh specs.

And then whole other groups of people are tasked with producing chassis for these various motors. Who builds which chassis for which motor can be handled in a free-market manner: The best, and therefore (probably) most popular engine(s) attract the best frame makers.

Bodywork can be made by whomever, I suppose. Suspension is a free-for-all as well.

Undecided on how to handle electronics. Either the engine makers, or just purchase off-the-shelf components.

Tires from whomever will make them. Or off-the-shelf race rubber. Whatever works best, and is fiscally possible for the team.

Anybody want to add to my pipe dream? laughingdp
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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2011, 05:02:47 PM »

How about a claiming rule that allows you to buy another bike for the paltry sum of $1? That'd make it all about the riders Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2011, 09:38:38 AM »

Sorry, but isn't this the whole point of the claiming rule teams in MotoGP next year?

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/168905/1/fim_explains_2012_motogp_claiming_rule.html

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« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2011, 09:48:02 AM »

Sorry, but isn't this the whole point of the claiming rule teams in MotoGP next year?

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/168905/1/fim_explains_2012_motogp_claiming_rule.html



This is a hypothetical racing league...and claiming rules certainly seem like a good idea.
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« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2011, 10:37:36 AM »

This is a hypothetical racing league...and claiming rules certainly seem like a good idea.

As long as it's hypothetical, and if close racing is the goal:
Engine limits based on displacement
Tires - Whatever
Bodywork - Whatever
Frames - Whatever
Suspension - Whatever
Gearbox - Whatever - I'd totally allow dual clutch systems.
Minimum weigh limits based on bike + Rider weight.  I'm tired of all these humorless midgets  Grin
And throw in a claiming rule on engines & gearboxes (Frames too?) to prevent overbuilding.

Fuel supply should be limited but reasonably generous. Right now the limited fuel supply is a big driver of much of the crazy electronics packages. Add a claiming rule for software Wink
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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2011, 07:05:05 AM »

Why not just expand the claiming rules to the factories? That would show them... the door.
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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2011, 07:16:38 AM »

Hell...why not a spec series for Turbo 'Busas:

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« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2011, 08:41:28 AM »

Hell...why not a spec series for Turbo 'Busas:



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« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2011, 08:50:52 AM »

Hell...why not a spec series for Turbo 'Busas:



This is what happens when they let the Teutuls work on a Busa.
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« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2011, 08:53:51 AM »

This is what happens when they let the Tuttles work on a Busa.

would this be their "Isle of Mann" influence tainted by a residual taste of what they think is italian from whence they had Ducati intepreted and executed through a Busa vessel?
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« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2011, 09:03:37 AM »

This is what happens when they let the Teutuls work on a Busa anything.

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« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2011, 10:01:08 AM »

would this be their "Isle of Mann" influence tainted by a residual taste of what they think is italian from whence they had Ducati intepreted and executed through a Busa vessel?

Exactly.
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