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December 22, 2011, 11:02:49 AM »
Bought new 1100evo,New sprocket,termis,ecu,airbox....... now might have to buy power commander just to get it to run right.Shouldnt have to keep buying just to make it run like it should.Hasnt run right since picked up, added all these items,.And still doesnt run right.My opinion is that before it gets sold it should run like it should before some one purchases it.If additions need to be made to correct then why dont the dealerships absorb the cost of what it takes to make it worth riding? My Harleys,hondas,yamahas ,and suzukis never acted like this
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December 22, 2011, 11:29:54 AM »
If the dealer put in all those options including the ECU they should have had it flashed to match your mods so the bike runs properly.
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December 22, 2011, 11:42:34 AM »
ok, maybe you should describe what you mean by run right.
second if the dealer install all that stuff, you might want to describe those issues to them.
there is no flash per se for those items.
sounds like a basic termi kit with 14 tooth sprocket.
the only thing that needs to happen is a TPS reset when installed.
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December 22, 2011, 12:28:19 PM »
Bike runs too lean when i pull up at house and get off to open garage rear header pipe is glowing red and it pops and spits while riding.cruising 45-55 mph coughs like starving for fuel. My concern is this a Ducati thing, and I'm afraid of scorching a piston or valve by running like this. I've got 240 for miles for the 600 mi. service and don't want to prematurely hurt something.i was told at this service they woul tune it and I may need a power commander to fix it. Don't want to buy something to make a new bike run like it should
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December 22, 2011, 02:15:34 PM »
did you buy the bike new or used? who installed the pipe,ecu, airbox ( im assuming you mean filter?)?
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December 22, 2011, 02:18:29 PM »
Something is not right. If they installed the Termi/ecu package (and did it right) it should be running fine. My S2R1000 (air cooled 2 valve) when stock had the classic DS motor problems. Eratic idle and it would stall for no reason when taking off. Usually at traffic lights making me look like a rookie that stalled the bike myself. At the 600 check up the dealer installed the full Termi/ecu package that I bought from them and it has never had a problem since and runs like a Swiss sewing machine.
You need to address this issue with the dealer. No. It shouldn't be running like that. It should run as well as your other scooters. I also have Suzooks, Kawis and a Honda. Ducs can be fussy sometimes but yours is too young and new to be that fussy.
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December 22, 2011, 02:25:41 PM »
Glowing red pipes is normal (I've got 8 bikes and all the four strokes' pipes glow red).
I'd double check the simple stuff, particularly look for an air leak. Perhaps something was botched with the airbox work. In fact, I'd probably put the airbox back to stock unless the Termi ECU was specifically intended to be used with the airbox mods.
Have you asked the dealer about the issue? if its running that bad it should be obvious to them from a test ride and then they should go about sorting it. A power commander isn't what you need, if it really is that bad something is screwed up and having an incompetent wrench plug away at spreadsheets to remap it further is unlikely to help anything. The whole point of the termi ECU is that its a (nearly) idiot-proof way of getting the fueling roughly right for the exhaust etc.
Is this your first big(ish) sport twin? Perhaps you are expecting it to run like an I4, which it never will (thank goodness!)
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Your kidding about the glowing red pipes. Yes? Mine get hot, but no where near glowing red.
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December 22, 2011, 03:15:17 PM »
its glows red if youre reving the bike at idle....but otherwise it shouldnt be glowing!
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December 22, 2011, 03:58:30 PM »
Don't blame the bike, blame the dealer. Obviously they're doin' it wrong. Termi kits make 'em perfect.
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December 22, 2011, 06:47:06 PM »
If you got the DP parts including Termis and ECU then you shouldn't need a power commander. The pipes come with a new ECU for that very reason.
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December 22, 2011, 09:41:33 PM »
have you confirmed you have the correct DP ECU? bike should read "Ducati Monster 1100 racing" when turned on IIRC.
i've heard of a dealer NOT putting the actual ECU you and they were running stock ECU with the opened lid, DP airfilter which would DEFINITELY run way too lean.
also, did they remove the charcoal canister? if so, did they plug the throttle bodies correctly? another place a lean condition can come from.
The Termi kit comes with a DP ECU matched to the type of pipe you got (full or slipon), DP airfilter (K&N type), more open filter cover, termis. The actual install is easy. The TPS reset is pretty easy on the new ECUs as well.
If all that is correct, you might have a suspect ECU.
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December 22, 2011, 09:45:16 PM »
Quote from: wvcruiser on December 22, 2011, 11:02:49 AM
Bought new 1100evo,New sprocket,termis,ecu,airbox....... now might have to buy power commander just to get it to run right.
Shouldnt have to keep buying just to make it run like it should.Hasnt run right since picked up, added all these items,.And still doesnt run right.
none of those items are things you would do to correct a runnability problem. If your dealer is telling you that you need to drop a ton of cash on sprockets and a termi kit to make your bike run right then you should file a complaint with ducati north america as that is not just wrong information but patently misleading.
all of the things you list (as well as the PCIII) are to increase performance, not correct baseline problems.
your evo is still under warranty and runnability should be taken care of.
which isnt to say that a PC in conjunction with the termi kit and sprockets would be a bad idea. it will allow your bike to be much more flexible for future mods (cams for instance).
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December 23, 2011, 07:16:23 AM »
Quote from: He Man on December 22, 2011, 03:15:17 PM
its glows red if youre reving the bike at idle....but otherwise it shouldnt be glowing!
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December 23, 2011, 07:19:16 AM »
Quote from: Raux on December 22, 2011, 09:41:33 PM
have you confirmed you have the correct DP ECU? bike should read "Ducati Monster 1100 racing" when turned on IIRC.
i've heard of a dealer NOT putting the actual ECU you and they were running stock ECU with the opened lid, DP airfilter which would DEFINITELY run way too lean.
also, did they remove the charcoal canister? if so, did they plug the throttle bodies correctly? another place a lean condition can come from.
The Termi kit comes with a DP ECU matched to the type of pipe you got (full or slipon), DP airfilter (K&N type), more open filter cover, termis. The actual install is easy. The TPS reset is pretty easy on the new ECUs as well.
If all that is correct, you might have a suspect ECU.
When i turn my switch on it reads monster evo DP
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