DOC inclusion?

[MurDuc]

Hmmm.
I thought there were other legal or quasi-legal considerations to official sponsorship.

For instance, use of trademarked Ducati logos on DMF swag.

But mine isn't a well informed view.


Course you would think a company would be all over you voluntarily plastering their logo on your shite. But I have heard some weirdness regarding that type of thing.

[cyrus buelton]

from my limited understanding, I think anyone can start a DOC if you adhere to their formation of the group. It doesn't seem too difficult.

[hbliam]

Based upon what I personally have seen, the only benefit was to the actual president and VP.

Ding, Ding, Ding.

No benefit to the membership unless the board owners decide to raffle or give away the WDW tickets by lottery.

[Howie]

DESMO has DOC status.  DNA gives us stuff to raffle at the Christmas party and bar bq, discounts to some events and other support.  AFIAK, they have never interfered with us in any way.  I see it as win win.

[Ddan]

DOC is on the list of affiliations that would qualify me for 10% off my moto insurance.  That alone is worth it.

[cyrus buelton]

DESMO has DOC status.  DNA gives us stuff to raffle at the Christmas party and bar bq, discounts to some events and other support. 

If that is true, did the DML ever receive stuff to raffle off? If so, when was this done? I don't recall anything being raffled, except for some items donated to titanium members from vendors.

[Statler]

so some people want us to do it and some will say that it benefis one or two of us only.   


couple ways to view this one:

anyone could have gotten off their butts and organized the group of mods to do this site.  Maybe the guys who did should be rewarded with something since it's not going to be money that keeps us here.   If one admin pays for himself to go to Italy because a piece of paper allows for an invite, is that a good or bad thing?  (serious question).

We see what Ducati throws our way and have this discussion then.

We decide to do nothing because of some people who will be bitter with whatever a DOC means they personally aren't getting.  That way nobody gets anything.  all happy then?

personal non-admin view:  people on the negative side of the view should just get some friends together and start a DOC.  Then they can individually get any benefits.  Is there ANY good reason they haven't done that already?

continue discussing:

[PizzaMonster]

DOC is on the list of affiliations that would qualify me for 10% off my moto insurance.  That alone is worth it.

I've been asked about club affliation on insurance apps before.  I'll take 10% off a $1300 premium any day.  (Yeah...insurance is ridiculous here)

If there are other benefits that apply strictly to the executive I say good on them.  They work a lot harder than I do.

[Howie]

If that is true, did the DML ever receive stuff to raffle off? If so, when was this done? I don't recall anything being raffled, except for some items donated to titanium members from vendors.

Not that I know of.  I also should have used past tense, has given.  None of the items were big ticket items, just good will, ie. posters, T shirts.  Certainly not a reason to go DOC.

so some people want us to do it and some will say that it benefis one or two of us only.  


couple ways to view this one:

anyone could have gotten off their butts and organized the group of mods to do this site.  Maybe the guys who did should be rewarded with something since it's not going to be money that keeps us here.   If one admin pays for himself to go to Italy because a piece of paper allows for an invite, is that a good or bad thing?  (serious question).

I have no problem with it. 

We see what Ducati throws our way and have this discussion then.

Maybe.  We certainly should not make a decision until the facts are in

We decide to do nothing because of some people who will be bitter with whatever a DOC means they personally aren't getting.  That way nobody gets anything.  all happy then?

No.  All will never be happy.  An admin gets something that I don't?  I am happy with that.  If you take into the admin has to pay transportation and use time off from work to represent  us, the fringe seems to me not as good anyway


personal non-admin view:  people on the negative side of the view should just get some friends together and start a DOC.  Then they can individually get any benefits.  Is there ANY good reason they haven't done that already?

continue discussing:

[TCK!]

If that is true, did the DML ever receive stuff to raffle off? If so, when was this done? I don't recall anything being raffled, except for some items donated to titanium members from vendors.

I think like they said earlier, the DOC benefits the local clubs much more then the super huge international clubs. We (Ducati MOB) have got some simple stuff from Ducati, patches pins etc, I hear we have more swag that is currently held up at Tigre's house though

[Statler]

I've been thinking about this one and have a few thoughts....

First, if we do a DOC, it can either be an opt in or an opt out, ie:  no members listed unless they opt in affirmatively, or there's an opt out way where members names of DMF won't be included if they opt out.   I certainly don't want to be using somebody's name on a DOC that I am involved with at the top without their approval and happiness.

Also, I will speak with Ducati about organizing each local baord as a DOC under a DMF umbrella of sorts.   Maybe we can have a dozen DOCs where locals can vote thier own president etc.   

just thinking out loud here.

One last thing... There are some amazing European groups doing some great things with monsters.  They are organized enough that many don't come here as there's no need.   A few shared bottles of wine might bea great opportunity to network and truly get some world-wide knowledge in here.

[MurDuc]

Also, I will speak with Ducati about organizing each local baord as a DOC under a DMF umbrella of sorts.   Maybe we can have a dozen DOCs where locals can vote thier own president etc.   

This sounds like a good plan. Local Chapters of the DMF.

-Puts the organizational work at the local level.
Which means it only happens if the local group A. Has the interest B. Makes the effort.
It takes an extra admin load off you guys already volunteering time and effort.
And it sends any swag to the local area "prez", so it's not having to be re-mailed out all over hells half acre.

-Puts the the members of each DOC on a personal level.

-Ends any of this who gets what BS.



.02 from MD to you.

[Drunken Monkey]

I am not going to talk anymore about this because I don't want to piss people off or start an argument.

Who are you and what have you done with cyrus?   

Seriously, the biggest benny (IMO) is the annual gathering in Bologna for the Pres and VP. But even then, it's not like they pay your way.

Beyond that, it's slightly better access to the usual swag that Ducati doles out to everyone anyway.

[Augustus]

What were the benefits to the president and the VP?

[ducpainter]

What were the benefits to the president and the VP?

They get an invite to attend WDW at their own expense.