MWR + Mota-Lab Tune = Awesome!

[DucNaked]

Please continue the education.......................


If I do all of the above that the OP did including the ECU flash, what will the Power Commander V gain me? If the ECU is reflashed does that not cause the bike to run "less lean"? Isn't that esentially what the PCV do "on the fly"?


Mark

I'm at the stage  Amlethae is now. I've got the MWR kit and a Rexxer flash on my 1100s. At this point my bike runs great and my service tech agrees. I have thought about PCV + autotune, but my bike is tuned so well now I think it would be a complete waste of money. Could I squeeze out another 1 or 2 hp? Maybe, but is worth another $500? Not to me.
 

[ungeheuer]

Please continue the education.......................

If I do all of the above that the OP did including the ECU flash, what will the Power Commander V gain me? If the ECU is reflashed does that not cause the bike to run "less lean"? Isn't that esentially what the PCV do "on the fly"?

Mark

If your setup is similar to the OPs...... MWR... slip on exhaust.... then it ought be possible to have your ECU reflashed to get pretty damn close.  All that a PCV will provide - on top of a good reflash closely tailored for you setup - is the ability to fine tune, either on a Dyno or as I do, by using Autotune. 

I'm running a WASP intake kit so coming up with a reflash ideal for that was - at the time - not exactly available, a near guess at what would be required was the best option.  I chose to go with known mapping for a less radical option and build my own fine tune on top of that.  The outcome works very well for me, but depending on your setup is not absolutely necessary as DucNaked has already pointed out.

[Mhanis]

So are there different types of re-flashes? Can my '09 M1100 have it's ecu flashed different ways?


Sorry for the basic questions, I just want to understand before I do anything.


Mark

[wannabfast]

So are there different types of re-flashes? Can my '09 M1100 have it's ecu flashed different ways?


Sorry for the basic questions, I just want to understand before I do anything.


Mark

well you can get a generic map which can cover slip ons and air filter, or a custom map depending on your application, you can get custom maps made for you get a dyno sheet with the air/fuel, and send it with the ecu and if they can do a custom map to fix the a/f and they can make it run mint if its done right

[Mau]

Thank you for the thorough response Unge and all...

I am definitely going to try the MWR kit and the ECU reflash.  However, I will keep my stock exhaust as I cannot afford the Termis. 
I assume I can just remove the flap? Are there DB killers in the stock exhaust I could remove? and would it make any difference?

If I understand correctly, I have to let the re-flasher (e.g, Mota-Lab) know what my configuration is and they will hook me up with the best map for it?

This sounds like the best (bang for buck) mod I can get to increase the power of my stock monster...

[ungeheuer]

So are there different types of re-flashes? Can my '09 M1100 have it's ecu flashed different ways?

The short answer is yes.  Though put simply, there's only one ideal fuelling map for whatever intake/exhaust setup you arrive at. 

But there are as many mapping variations as there are intake and exhaust combos, mine will be different to yours.  Mine has the rev limiter raised to 9,500rpm, others prefer to wring it out to 10,500rpm....  the permutations are almost endless.

I am definitely going to try the MWR kit and the ECU reflash.  However, I will keep my stock exhaust as I cannot afford the Termis.  I assume I can just remove the flap? Are there DB killers in the stock exhaust I could remove? and would it make any difference?

On M1100/M1100s the easiest and least costly way to make the exhaust flapper gate go away is to fit an M696 midpipe.  Not sure what your options are on 1100EVO. Stock exhaust systems dont generally tend to have removable baffles (unless you core 'em that is). There are other less costly options than Termis........  .

If I understand correctly, I have to let the re-flasher (e.g, Mota-Lab) know what my configuration is and they will hook me up with the best map for it?

Yes.   

well you can get a generic map which can cover slip ons and air filter

True 

or a custom map depending on your application, you can get custom maps made for you get a dyno sheet with the air/fuel, and send it with the ecu and if they can do a custom map to fix the a/f and they can make it run mint if its done right

If its done right, sure.  You have to bear in mind that a custom map produced in this manner is the map tuner's (mota-lab, rexxer) best  estimation of what variation in fuelling will be required to get you from where you are to where you ideally need to go.

[Mhanis]

Guys, thanks for all of the thoughtfull and informative information. This may be the path I seek going forward.

Mau, just because you cannot afford Termi's (I was unwilling to pay their price too) there are TONS of other options for slip-on's that will give you several different looks/sounds for less money. Look at the sticky above that is titled "unofficial 696/1100 exhaust thread" or something like that. You will see a pleathora of other very good options.


Mark

[Amlethae]

Hi Everyone,

Sorry I've neglected this thread - didn't realize people were still talking on it.  I've recently added the PCV + Dual-Autotune to my set up and I gotta say the difference is quite noticeable.  The bike just feels richer, power and punch is there a lot more readily, BUT the amazing thing is that for the most part the auto-tune has leaned out the map for each cylinder; my MPG has gone up about 4-5mpg  and definitely feels stronger.  The MWR stuff and reflash is certainly an upgrade and Motalab did a great job with the flash (I had them remove the O2 sensors incase I went this added step) but the PCV stuff on top of it really makes a world of difference.  I used Ung's "KISS" afr table which works great.  So yeah, if you have any specific questions let me know.  Very happy with these results.

[ungeheuer]

....I've recently added the PCV + Dual-Autotune to my set up and I gotta say the difference is quite noticeable.  The bike just feels richer, power and punch is there a lot more readily, BUT the amazing thing is that for the most part the auto-tune has leaned out the map for each cylinder; my MPG has gone up about 4-5mpg  and definitely feels stronger.  The MWR stuff and reflash is certainly an upgrade and Motalab did a great job with the flash (I had them remove the O2 sensors incase I went this added step) but the PCV stuff on top of it really makes a world of difference.

Leaned it out everywhere or just in some areas of the map?  Just means that the reflash was fuelling richer "off the peg" than the AFR targets you're now using to dynamically control fuelling with Autotune. 

I used Ung's "KISS" afr table which works great....  Very happy with these results.

[Amlethae]

Oh yeah, didn't lean it out everywhere.  Richened down on the low end about 1500-2250 and then starts leaning in the cruise area 2-20% throttle 2500-4000 RPM.  Seemed to bump a little richer when grabbing fist fulls of throttle which is right.  The bike is definitely more responsive and is eating my worn clutch pack new one on the way before it starts slipping unreasonably.