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« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2012, 07:57:04 PM »
Quote from: ducatiz on August 04, 2012, 07:06:02 PM
it's true.  if you don't value lower weight, better looks, higher performance and better sound.

totally true.

AND you qualify to put a "Loud pipes save lives" sticker on your helmet!  Evil
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« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2012, 03:53:08 PM »
Quote from: ducatiz on August 04, 2012, 07:06:02 PM
it's true.  if you don't value lower weight, better looks, higher performance and better sound.

totally true.

all are negligible differences and we know the two main reasons people get exhaust systems are (1) sound and (2) bling factor.  i prefer a quieter exhaust, so that knocks out one of the two.     coffee
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« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2012, 04:12:24 PM »
Quote from: justinrhenry on August 06, 2012, 03:53:08 PM
all are negligible differences and we know the two main reasons people get exhaust systems are (1) sound and (2) bling factor.  i prefer a quieter exhaust, so that knocks out one of the two.     coffee

My stock setup was 18 lbs and the replacement was 9.  That's not negligible.

Adding the pciii and dyno with an open airbox got another 6 HP.

Higher HP and least weight .... ftw!
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« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2012, 05:21:19 PM »
Quote from: ducatiz on August 06, 2012, 04:12:24 PM
My stock setup was 18 lbs and the replacement was 9.  That's not negligible.

Adding the pciii and dyno with an open airbox got another 6 HP.

Higher HP and least weight .... ftw!


most of the time i have on a 30lb backpack when riding because i commute to work and go to the  gym first... despite this my bike still has way more horsepower than i can use. 


other times i have my girlfriend on the back and you know what?  still more hp than i can use.   Dolph
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« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2012, 05:38:02 PM »
Quote from: justinrhenry on August 06, 2012, 05:21:19 PM
most of the time i have on a 30lb backpack when riding because i commute to work and go to the  gym first... despite this my bike still has way more horsepower than i can use. 


other times i have my girlfriend on the back and you know what?  still more hp than i can use.   Dolph

It's not the overall hp, it's the hp: weight ratio.  My 600ss is just over 344 lbs with a half tank of gas.  I've managed to coax the engine to put out 60hp.  The difference is stunning.

Also:  all of my bikes are monopost.  :-)
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« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2012, 11:22:42 PM »
Quote from: justinrhenry on August 06, 2012, 05:21:19 PM
most of the time i have on a 30lb backpack when riding because i commute to work and go to the  gym first... despite this my bike still has way more horsepower than i can use. 


other times i have my girlfriend on the back and you know what?  still more hp than i can use.   Dolph
I think the difference here is thus...

You use your bike as a point A to point B mode of transportation. You blend into traffic and are assimilated.

I personally use my bike as an adventure between point A to Point C to point B and want people to notice so I dont get flattened at 85mph
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« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2012, 04:49:07 AM »
Quote from: ducatiz on August 06, 2012, 04:12:24 PM
My stock setup was 18 lbs and the replacement was 9.  That's not negligible.
Adding the pciii and dyno with an open airbox got another 6 HP.
Higher HP and least weight .... ftw!

I searched the forum but couldn't find an answer to this question, how many HP does one gain by installing termi slip-ons (and air filter+ecu)? Currently running stock , but plan to buy and install termis slip-ons once the dealership has them in stock.
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« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2012, 05:00:55 AM »
Quote from: bob795 on August 07, 2012, 04:49:07 AM
I searched the forum but couldn't find an answer to this question, how many HP does one gain by installing termi slip-ons (and air filter+ecu)? Currently running stock , but plan to buy and install termis slip-ons once the dealership has them in stock.
I have no scientific answer for you.  No official numbers to quote. 

But..... after fitting Termi slip-on, DP ECU/air filter to my M696..... I detected no discernible HP gain whatsoever.   Maybe I'm just not very discerning.

They do weigh less, look better, sound good (too loud with Db killers removed IMO) and - as the sensible accountants amongst us have already pointed out - cost money.
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« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2012, 05:28:48 AM »
Thanks ungeheuer.
I was under the impression that it's similar to what is referred to as Harley tax, i.e. freer flow air filter, exhaust and rejet the carb.
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« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2012, 05:59:22 AM »
Quote from: bob795 on August 07, 2012, 04:49:07 AM
I searched the forum but couldn't find an answer to this question, how many HP does one gain by installing termi slip-ons (and air filter+ecu)? Currently running stock , but plan to buy and install termis slip-ons once the dealership has them in stock.

Mine was after putting it on a dyno.

Dropping any weight from the bike increases the power ratio.

Of course, the best weight to drop is the primate in the seat.

But dropping nearly 10 lbs from the exhaust helps.  Add lighter brakes, wheels, etc and you may not need the extra HP.
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« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2012, 06:56:28 AM »
Quote from: justinrhenry on August 06, 2012, 03:53:08 PM
all are negligible differences and we know the two main reasons people get exhaust systems are (1) sound and (2) bling factor. 

Works for me all the time.   waytogo   Evil
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« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2012, 02:05:24 AM »
Drop one tooth off the front sprocket. I bet you'll notice the difference.

It's the cheapest performance mod I can think of.

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« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2012, 02:59:02 AM »
Quote from: GK on August 08, 2012, 02:05:24 AM
Drop one tooth off the front sprocket. I bet you'll notice the difference.

It's the cheapest performance mod I can think of.

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« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2012, 08:25:11 AM »
Quote from: Two dogs on July 31, 2012, 03:48:54 AM
My first Monster had zero on the clock when the termi's went on......

Same here. No issues, dealer installed.
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« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2012, 01:08:11 PM »
Quote from: Raux on August 08, 2012, 02:59:02 AM
unless you run sustained highspeeds.
Cool

You DO always say that.  Wink

Practically speaking, triple digits on the street are just totally impractical here anywhere in the U.S..., and when I DID that regularly, (Statute of Limitations... Cool) it was on an SBK early on Sunday mornings... Police

After my demo ride, would not have left the dealership without my 14T.
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